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Lazarus Nichodemus · 09-13-2005, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by placebo messiah

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Originally Johnny posted; the moderator said "no future"; presto moved. We've ( I ) have opted to keep it going. Granted we are way off the original question. But you will notice that I strayed based on Aetheist's don't believe scripture etc... So that is why we are here.

Hopefully that helps

Sincerely,
L.N.

Teenager · 09-15-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Skeptic

Jesus could not possibly have been a Jew, or from the House of David. Matthew says that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, he couldn't possibly have been a Jew. At best, he was made to look like a Jew. Skeptics and Jews have long known that the New Testament writers pirated the Old Testament as the foundation for the New Testament. There is not any evidence at all that Jesus fulfilled even one single supposed Old Testament messianic prophecy. I challenge any Christian to try to prove otherwise.

Ok Johhny, I'll explain it to you. I'm gonna break your paragraph apart, it's easier for me to reply to specific ideas one at a time.

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Jesus could not possibly have been a Jew, or from the House of David. Matthew says that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, he couldn't possibly have been a Jew. At best, he was made to look like a Jew.

You left out where it gives his genealogy- Mathew 1:1-17. Also, for a more theological side, Jesus was 100% man, and yet at the same time 100% God(this is explained in Phillipians, it's been awhile since I've studied it, though).
So, not only do

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Skeptics and Jews have long known that the New Testament writers pirated the Old Testament as the foundation for the New Testament.

And? Is this suppose to be wrong? Maybe I missed your point here?

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There is not any evidence at all that Jesus fulfilled even one single supposed Old Testament messianic prophecy. I challenge any Christian to try to prove otherwise.

Evidence? How about Jesus dying on the cross, and rasing up again? That is the one and single most important prophecy He fulfilled. And it's the hardest to accomplish, if you think about. So, if it's the hardest, I wouldn't be surprised if He accomplished the other prophecies as well.

Does any of this make sense?

CowboyHeretic · 09-15-2005, 11:02 AM

There were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Black:
> 1. He called everyone "brother"
> 2. He liked Gospel
> 3. He couldn't get a fair trial.
>
> But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Jewish
> 1. He went into His Father's business.
> 2. He lived at home until he was 33.
> 3. He was sure his Mother was a virgin and his mother was sure he was
> God.
>
> But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Italian:
> 1. He talked with his hands.
> 2. He had wine with every meal.
> 3. He used olive oil.
>
> But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was a Californian:
> 1. He never cut his hair.
> 2. He walked around barefoot all the time.
> 3. He started a new religion.
>
> But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Irish:
> 1. He never got married.
> 2. He was always telling stories.
> 3. He loved green pastures.
>
> But the most compelling evidence of all - 3 proofs that Jesus was a
woman:
> 1. He had to feed a crowd at a moment's notice when there was no
> food.
> 2. He kept trying to get a message across to a bunch of men who just
> didn't get it.
> 3. Even when he was dead, He had to get up because there was more work
> for him to do.

Toto · 09-23-2005, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by placebo messiah

why is this in ~e~?

Because the OP did not make much sense and mainly drew jokes and mockery.

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Jesus could not possibly have been a Jew, or from the House of David. Matthew says that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, he couldn't possibly have been a Jew.

This is silly. If Jesus' mother was a Jew, he qualified, Being sired by the Holy Spirit might only remove him from the lineage of the House of David.

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At best, he was made to look like a Jew.

Except that we don't know what he looked like.

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Skeptics and Jews have long known that the New Testament writers pirated the Old Testament as the foundation for the New Testament. There is not any evidence at all that Jesus fulfilled even one single supposed Old Testament messianic prophecy. I challenge any Christian to try to prove otherwise.

This would be a valid topic in BCH if it hadn't gotten buried in the first part, but we already have other threads on it.

Stout Drinker · 09-23-2005, 05:12 AM

The discussion of whether Jesus was a Jew was moved to GRD. It is here.

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=138277

09-15-2005, 11:02 AM	#13
CowboyHeretic Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: outland Posts: 696	From an E-Mail There were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Black: > 1. He called everyone "brother" > 2. He liked Gospel > 3. He couldn't get a fair trial. > > But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Jewish > 1. He went into His Father's business. > 2. He lived at home until he was 33. > 3. He was sure his Mother was a virgin and his mother was sure he was > God. > > But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Italian: > 1. He talked with his hands. > 2. He had wine with every meal. > 3. He used olive oil. > > But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was a Californian: > 1. He never cut his hair. > 2. He walked around barefoot all the time. > 3. He started a new religion. > > But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Irish: > 1. He never got married. > 2. He was always telling stories. > 3. He loved green pastures. > > But the most compelling evidence of all - 3 proofs that Jesus was a woman: > 1. He had to feed a crowd at a moment's notice when there was no > food. > 2. He kept trying to get a message across to a bunch of men who just > didn't get it. > 3. Even when he was dead, He had to get up because there was more work > for him to do.

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