Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: In the early part of the 2nd century, Trajan went to Palestine and killed 500,000 Jews. Why didn't God protect the Jews?

What exactly has God protected Jews from for thousands of years, possibly from hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamies, plagues, droughts, and famines? It would not make any sense for God to protect the Jews from other humans and refuse to protect them from hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamies, plagues, droughts, and famines, but if the God of the Bible does not exist, then that explains this situation.

If Jews were able to occupy all of the ancient land of Canaan, is it your position that God would stop killing them with hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamies, plagues, droughts, and famines? If not, then God could not possibly care about the safety, health, and well-being of Jews. If God's only intention is proving that he is powerful, he certainly does not have to partition Palestine in order to do that. There would be much better ways for God to accomplish that, such as creating a new planet.

Kharakov

Well. You better look at this link then:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hinduism
excerpts from the definitions follow:
"a large pantheon symbolizing the many attributes of a single god"
"characterized by a belief in reincarnation and a supreme being of many forms and natures, by the view that opposing theories are aspects of one eternal truth,"
"by a belief in a supreme being of many forms and natures, by the view that opposing theories are aspects of one eternal truth,"

Your second point is not even valid in the argument against Hinduism, which is all encompassing of all beliefs, including opposing theories (as simply aspects of the one true God, even if they claim not to be- God is the deceiver as well).

The point was you shouldn't use belief in Hindu gods as belief in something other than the Christian God. In the Hindu view, they are simply different aspects of the same being (Zeus being another aspect of the Godhead).
You used Hinduism. It's a bad religion to bring up when you want to argue against the existence of deities of any religion- they are all aspects of the supreme being (even if some are deceitful and create false aspects).

Anyways, I tend to think that Arnoldo wouldn't welcome the all inclusiveness of the Hindu religion. I just think you should know what you are talking about before throwing out responses because you sense the kill.

Also, I hope you don't mistakenly believe that evidence or logic will prevail in your arguments with Arnoldo. Some people just don't get it. They can't.

You know how some people have problems learning math or science? Some people can't play basketball, but they can play football. Some people just can't understand logic or process information that is against what beliefs they already have. It just doesn't enter their minds. Teach people who can be taught- someone like Arnoldo is like a dog guarding a bone- he thinks you are trying to take something from him instead of teach him. His faith is the bone that he will not let go of. When he finds out nobody is trying to take it from him, he will let go- but he won't be able to do that until he leaves this message board OR we stop talking to him.

arnoldo

On what basis do you decide what is moral and what is not moral. Why would anyone else agree with your judgments?

makerowner

Do you think that slaughtering infants is moral?

arnoldo

Ok, I'm willing to learn, should I believe in the Big Bang and the Theory of Evolution? Even you have to admit you have equal or more faith in your belief system than I have in mine. In order to deny you have any faith in any particular belief system you must have 100% proof on the origins of man and the universe. I'm looking forward to your response besides the usual "it your burden to prove anything excuse."

arnoldo

Your still having that pesky "burden of proof" that bible prophecy is false. So far all of the excuses are A. It's self-fulfilled prophecy B. It was written after the fact. C. It was written before and after the fact. D. It was a forgery. E. Man & Politcs caused the prophetics events to occur,etc,etc,etc.

arnoldo

Do you think a woman's right to choose whether or not to have a child is moral?

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: Some orthodox Jews agree with you about the Partition of Palestine, but they have rejected Christianity. What is your message for those people?

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: In the early part of the 2nd century, Trajan went to Palestine and killed 500,000 Jews. Why didn't God protect the Jews?

What exactly has God protected Jews from for thousands of years, possibly from hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamies, plagues, droughts, and famines? It would not make any sense for God to protect the Jews from other humans and refuse to protect them from hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamies, plagues, droughts, and famines, but if the God of the Bible does not exist, then that explains this situation.

If Jews were able to occupy all of the ancient land of Canaan, is it your position that God would stop killing them with hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamies, plagues, droughts, and famines? If not, then God could not possibly care about the safety, health, and well-being of Jews. If God's only intention is proving that he is powerful, he certainly does not have to partition Palestine in order to do that. There would be much better ways for God to accomplish that, such as creating a new planet.

makerowner

These are not excuses, they're explanations. If I tell you that I predicted World War II, you would be quite justified in asking me to prove that I had actually made the predictions before the events in question, that the predictions were accurate, and that the act of making the predictions didn't bring about the 'fulfillment' thereof. You, however, seem to feel that the standard for biblical prophecy is different. Care to explain why?
So far, I have never seen a prophecy that met all the above requirements.