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Old 09-27-2007, 07:23 AM   #11
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JW:
Continuing the Inventory:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_14

14:32 "And they come unto a place which was named Gethsemane: and he saith unto his disciples, Sit ye here, while I pray.

14:33 And he taketh with him Peter and James and John, and began to be greatly amazed, and sore troubled.

14:34 And he saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful even unto death: abide ye here, and watch.

14:35 And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass away from him.

14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; remove this cup from me: howbeit not what I will, but what thou wilt.

14:37 And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest thou not watch one hour?

14:38 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak."


JW:
Jesus instructs Peter, James and John to Specifically Watch here:

"And he saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful even unto death: abide ye here, and watch."

Jesus had just finished giving a General instruction to Watch in the previous chapter:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_13

33 "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

34 [It is] as [when] a man, sojourning in another country, having left his house, and given authority to his servants, to each one his work, commanded also the porter to watch.

35 Watch therefore: for ye know not when the lord of the house cometh, whether at even, or at midnight, or at cockcrowing, or in the morning;

36 lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch."

Note the use of "cockcrowing" (understand Dear Reader?). Borat?

Borat: Uhh, Naaz.

Jesus singles out Peter for Failure to keep Watch:

"And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest thou not watch one hour?"

And, the Negative here, subtle, so pay attention, Jesus reverts back to Peter's pre-Disciple, name, "Simon". Let's play that again in Salome motion:

"And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, S i m o n, sleepest thou? couldest thou not watch one hour?"

And so, after Jesus gives a General command to Watch out for Jesus and than Specifically commands Peter to and than finds Peter asleep at the Wall, and immediately addresses Peter as "Simon" for the only time after he had given Simon the name "Peter", we can take it on good authority that this was an intentional demotion on the part of "Mark's" Jesus. Peter/Rock Failed and was demoted to just "Simon". The First was now the Last.

And so our Inventory is now:

1) 1:29-31 Sickness in Simon's house.

2) 3:16 Jesus gives Simon an extra name, "Peter".

3) 4:15 The Parable of the Sower specifically refers to Peter as in the category of Disciple Failure.

4) 8:32 Peter is presented as the Opposition to the Passion.

5) 14:30 Jesus predicts that Peter will Deny him Three times.

6) 14:37 Jesus demotes Peter by using his pre-Disciple name, "Simon" to address him.



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Continuing the Inventory:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_14

34 "And he saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful even unto death: abide ye here, and watch.

35 And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass away from him.

36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; remove this cup from me: howbeit not what I will, but what thou wilt.

37 And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest thou not watch one hour?

38 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

39 And again he went away, and prayed, saying the same words.

40 And again he came, and found them sleeping, for their eyes were very heavy; and they knew not what to answer him.

41 And he cometh the third time, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: it is enough; the hour is come; behold, the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners."


JW:
Jesus singles out Peter for criticism:

"And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest thou not watch one hour?"

"Mark" presents Peter's Failure 3 times:

"And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest thou not watch one hour?"

"And again he came, and found them sleeping, for their eyes were very heavy; and they knew not what to answer him."

"And he cometh the third time, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: it is enough; the hour is come;"

"Mark" previously had Jesus Define this Type of Disciple Failure:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_13

35 "Watch therefore: for ye know not when the lord of the house cometh, whether at even, or at midnight, or at cockcrowing, or in the morning;

36 lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch."

"Mark" provides a stylish Literary Contrast between Jesus' behaviour and Peter's:

41 "And he cometh the third time, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: it is enough; the hour is come; behold, the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners."

42 Arise, let us be going: behold, he that betrayeth me is at hand."

At the moment of Persecution Jesus will "arise" and Peter and the Disciples will "sleep". At the moment of Resurrection, Jesus will arise and Peter and the Disciples will be asleep (on the job).

In summary here "Mark" has singled out Peter for criticism with the following Markers:

1) Jesus singles out Peter for criticism by Name.

2) "Mark" presents Peter's Failure 3 times in Formula fashion.

3) Peter meets the Definition of Disicple Failure that Jesus had just given.

4) "Mark" provides a stylish Literary Contrast for emphasis between Jesus' behaviour and Peter's through the use of "Arise/Sleep".

5) "Mark" times Peter's Failure at the start of the Passion.

Thus we have it on good authority that "Mark" made a special effort to criticize Peter here not just by stating that Peter failed Jesus but by How Peter was presented as Failing.

And so our Inventory is now:

1) 1:29-31 Sickness in Simon's house.

2) 3:16 Jesus gives Simon an extra name, "Peter".

3) 4:15 The Parable of the Sower specifically refers to Peter as in the category of Disciple Failure.

4) 8:32 Peter is presented as the Opposition to the Passion.

5) 14:30 Jesus predicts that Peter will Deny him Three times.

6) 14:37 Jesus demotes Peter by using his pre-Disciple name, "Simon" to address him.

7) 14:34-42 Peter Fails to Watch out for Jesus.



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53: And they led Jesus away to the high priest: and there come together with him all the chief priests and the elders and the scribes.

54 And Peter had followed him afar off, even within, into the court of the high priest; and he was sitting with the officers, and warming himself in the light [of the fire].

55 Now the chief priests and the whole council sought witness against Jesus to put him to death; and found it not.

56 For many bare false witness against him, and their witness agreed not together.

57 And there stood up certain, and bare false witness against him, saying,

58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days I will build another made without hands.

59 And not even so did their witness agree together.

60 And the high priest stood up in the midst, and asked Jesus, saying, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?

61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and saith unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.

63 And the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What further need have we of witnesses?

64 Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be worthy of death.

65 And some began to spit on him, and to cover his face, and to buffet him, and to say unto him, Prophesy: and the officers received him with blows of their hands.

66 And as Peter was beneath in the court, there cometh one of the maids of the high priest;

67 and seeing Peter warming himself, she looked upon him, and saith, Thou also wast with the Nazarene, [even] Jesus.

68 But he denied, saying, I neither know, nor understand what thou sayest: and he went out into the porch; and the cock crew.

69 And the maid saw him, and began again to say to them that stood by, This is [one] of them.

70 But he again denied it. And after a little while again they that stood by said to Peter, of a truth thou art [one] of them; for thou art a Galilaean.

71 But he began to curse, and to swear, I know not this man of whom ye speak.

72 And straightway the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word, how that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.

JW:Commentary:
"And they led Jesus away to the high priest" (Jesus taken by Force)
"And Peter followed him afar off" (Peter taken Voluntarily)

"and with him were assembled all the chief priests and the elders and the scribes." (Jesus' audience is Authority)
"and he sat with the servants" (Peter's audience is Servants)

"For many bare false witness against him, but their witness agreed not together." (Jesus' witnesses are False)
"they that stood by said again to Peter, Surely thou art one of them: for thou art a Galilaean, and thy speech agreeth thereto." (Peter's witnesses are True)

"And Jesus said, I am." (Jesus defends with the Truth)
"But he began to curse and to swear, saying, I know not this man of whom ye speak." (Peter defends with a Lie)

"Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death." (Jesus' audience doesn't believe a True defense)
"And when he thought thereon, he wept" (Peter's audience believes a False defense)

We have the following Literary touches emphasizing the Failure of Peter here:

1) The Trial is the Climax of The Passion (the crucifixion is the anti-climax) and this is where Peter is Singled out more than other story in "Mark" for Failure.

2) "Mark" presents Peter's Failure 3 times in Formula fashion:

"68 But he denied, saying, I neither know, nor understand what thou sayest: and he went out into the porch; and the cock crew."

"70 But he again denied it."

"71 But he began to curse, and to swear, I know not this man of whom ye speak."

3) Peter meets the Definition of Disicple Failure that Jesus had given.

4) "Mark" provides a stylish Literary Contrast for emphasis between Jesus' behaviour and Peter's through the use of True/False Witness.

5) Peter fulfills Jesus' Prediction of Failure.


Thus we have it on good authority that "Mark" made a special effort to criticize Peter here not just by stating that Peter failed Jesus but by How Peter was presented as Failing.

After this one, Peter singled out for Failure in every Possible way at the climax of Jesus' Passion, one wonders just how much "Mark" could have Discredited Peter and still have Orthodox Christianity claim that Peter was rehabilitated per "Mark". In aPaul Type revelation I see Peter presented as a Witness and Confessing that he failed Jesus and the O Jew Sampson Jewry of Christians saying, "No, you're wrong, you didn't fail Jesus."

And so our Inventory is now:

1) 1:29-31 Sickness in Simon's house.

2) 3:16 Jesus gives Simon an extra name, "Peter".

3) 4:15 The Parable of the Sower specifically refers to Peter as in the category of Disciple Failure.

4) 8:32 Peter is presented as the Opposition to the Passion.

5) 14:30 Jesus predicts that Peter will Deny him Three times.

6) 14:37 Jesus demotes Peter by using his pre-Disciple name, "Simon" to address him.

7) 14:34-42 Peter Fails to Watch out for Jesus.

8) 14:53-72 Peter Denies Jesus Three times.



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JW:
Continuing the Inventory:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_14

64 "Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be worthy of death.

65 And some began to spit on him, and to cover his face, and to buffet him, and to say unto him, Prophesy: and the officers received him with blows of their hands.

66 And as Peter was beneath in the court, there cometh one of the maids of the high priest;

67 and seeing Peter warming himself, she looked upon him, and saith, Thou also wast with the Nazarene, [even] Jesus.

68 But he denied, saying, I neither know, nor understand what thou sayest: and he went out into the porch; and the cock crew.

69 And the maid saw him, and began again to say to them that stood by, This is [one] of them.

70 But he again denied it. And after a little while again they that stood by said to Peter, of a truth thou art [one] of them; for thou art a Galilaean.

71 But he began to curse, and to swear, I know not this man of whom ye speak.

72 And straightway the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word, how that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept."


JW:
In the Parable of the Sower "Mark's" Jesus listed the Types of Disciples. In the Parable of Identity, where Jesus is ID'ed as the Messiah and Peter is ID'ed as the Opposition, Jesus gives the Acts of Disciples:

34 "And he called unto him the multitude with his disciples, and said unto them, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

35 For whosoever would save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel`s shall save it.

36 For what doth it profit a man, to gain the whole world, and forfeit his life?

37 For what should a man give in exchange for his life?

38 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of man also shall be ashamed of him, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."


Included above is an illustration of Jesus':

"For whosoever would save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel`s shall save it."

with Peter as the Contrast to Jesus. Note that Jesus loses his life in order to save it:

"Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be worthy of death."

In contrast, Peter is shown, in Formula fashion, Denying Jesus to save his life and thereby loses his life. This is why Peter is crying:

"and straightway the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word, how that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept."

To emphasize the connection between Jesus and Peter our author has shown the last Act of each as "crying". The Greek words are different though and it is a different type of cry. I can see Apologists liking this observation and saying that Peter's cry was one of realization which exorcised his Failure. However, our clever author has made clear that this is a cry of mourning with the Dear Reader making the connection back to:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_5

38 "And they come to the house of the ruler of the synagogue; and he beholdeth a tumult, and [many] weeping and wailing greatly.

39 And when he was entered in, he saith unto them, Why make ye a tumult, and weep? the child is not dead, but sleepeth."

and the same Greek word:

"κλαίοντας"

Peter is mourning for himself! He understands that by Denying Jesus to save his life he has lost his life. Thus "Mark" has the best possible evidence he could get to discredit Peter, a confession by Peter himself that he Failed, and this is why Peter than disappears from the Gospel.

And so our Inventory is now:

1) 1:29-31 Sickness in Simon's house.

2) 3:16 Jesus gives Simon an extra name, "Peter".

3) 4:15 The Parable of the Sower specifically refers to Peter as in the category of Disciple Failure.

4) 8:32 Peter is presented as the Opposition to the Passion.

5) 14:30 Jesus predicts that Peter will Deny him Three times.

6) 14:37 Jesus demotes Peter by using his pre-Disciple name, "Simon" to address him.

7) 14:34-42 Peter Fails to Watch out for Jesus.

8) 14:53-72 Peter Denies Jesus Three times.

9) 14:72 Peter mourns the loss of his life for Denying Jesus.



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JW:
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http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_15

21 "And they compel one passing by, Simon of Cyrene, coming from the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to go [with them], that he might bear his cross."

JW:
"Simon of Cyrene". We have the following evidence that "Simon of Cyrene" is a Literary tool of the author to communicate that Peter Simon needed to/was replaced by a different Leader:

1) "Simon" is easily the most common name in "Mark":

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/...=48&spanend=48

"Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James son of Alphaeus, Thaddaeus, Simon the Zealot"

"Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon?"

"While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard."

"A certain man from Cyrene, Simon, the father of Alexander and Rufus, was passing by on his way in from the country, and they forced him to carry the cross."

2) "Mark" has described by Narrative that Peter Failed Jesus and even Peter realized this (14:72).

3) By Narrative Jesus removed Peter's Leader status (14:37).

4) Jesus' Specific description of Disciple success/failure tie to 15:21:

8:34 "And he called unto him the multitude with his disciples, and said unto them, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me."

5) The name, "Simon of Cyrene", looks Contrived, in a Gospel of Contrived names. The Latin Cyrilla can mean "a strong leader" or "noble" while the Greek Cyril can mean ..."lord". The word is curiously reMarkably like "kurious". "Arimathea" looks similarly contrived as does "Bar Timaeus".

For those who complain that I think a Figurative meaning is Likely here and wonder what my Methodology is to justify:

-----1) The literal description "the father of Alexander and Rufus" is unlikely
because new characters are normally introduced as "son of" rather than "father of".

-----2) I have given compelling reasons why "Mark" would give a figurative meaning above.

Thus we have it on good authority that the "Simon of Cyrene" in 15:21 was an intentional literary device of the author to communicate Peter Simon's replacement as Leader of Jesus' followers.

And so our Inventory is now:

1) 1:29-31 Sickness in Simon's house.

2) 3:16 Jesus gives Simon an extra name, "Peter".

3) 4:15 The Parable of the Sower specifically refers to Peter as in the category of Disciple Failure.

4) 8:32 Peter is presented as the Opposition to the Passion.

5) 14:30 Jesus predicts that Peter will Deny him Three times.

6) 14:37 Jesus demotes Peter by using his pre-Disciple name, "Simon" to address him.

7) 14:34-42 Peter Fails to Watch out for Jesus.

8) 14:53-72 Peter Denies Jesus Three times.

9) 14:72 Peter mourns the loss of his life for Denying Jesus.

10) 15:21 Peter Simon is figuratively replaced as Leader of Jesus' followers.



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JW:
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1 "Now after two days was [the feast of] the passover and the unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him with subtlety, and kill him:

2 for they said, Not during the feast, lest haply there shall be a tumult of the people.

3 And while he was in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at meat, there came a woman having an alabaster cruse of ointment of pure nard very costly; [and] she brake the cruse, and poured it over his head.

4 But there were some that had indignation among themselves, [saying], To what purpose hath this waste of the ointment been made?

5 For this ointment might have been sold for above three hundred shillings, and given to the poor. And they murmured against her.

6 But Jesus said, Let her alone; why trouble ye her? she hath wrought a good work on me.

7 For ye have the poor always with you, and whensoever ye will ye can do them good: but me ye have not always.

8 She hath done what she could; she hath anointed my body beforehand for the burying.

9 And verily I say unto you, Wheresoever the gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, that also which this woman hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her."


JW:
I previously pointed out the many Simons in "Mark". Note here that we have
"Simon the leper". In Contrast to the end of the Ministry here, hearken back to the beginning:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_1

30 "Now Simon`s wife`s mother lay sick of a fever; and straightway they tell him of her:

31 and he came and took her by the hand, and raised her up; and the fever left her, and she ministered unto them.

32 And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were sick, and them that were possessed with demons.

33 And all the city was gathered together at the door.

34 And he healed many that were sick with divers diseases, and cast out many demons; and he suffered not the demons to speak, because they knew him.

35 And in the morning, a great while before day, he rose up and went out, and departed into a desert place, and there prayed.

36 And Simon and they that were with him followed after him;

37 and they found him, and say unto him, All are seeking thee.

38 And he saith unto them, Let us go elsewhere into the next towns, that I may preach there also; for to this end came I forth.

39 And he went into their synagogues throughout all Galilee, preaching and casting out demons.

40 And there cometh to him a leper, beseeching him, and kneeling down to him, and saying unto him, If thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

41 And being moved with compassion, he stretched forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou made clean.

42 And straightway the leprosy departed from him, and he was made clean.

43 And he strictly charged him, and straightway sent him out,

44 and saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go show thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing the things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them."


JW:
The Objective student should note that these are the only two references to Leprosy in "Mark". At the Beginning of the Ministry, near Simon's house, leprosy is cured. At the End of the Ministry leprosy is aSigned to a Simon. Note the following Textual Markers connecting the two stories:

1) Theme of Avoidance of crowds.

2) A "house" ("Bethany" - understand Dear Hebrew Reader?) of a Simon.

3) A woman ministers to Jesus.

4) A Testimonial.

Thus we have it on good authority that "Mark" is using Narrative to Discredit Simon Peter by presenting leprosy cure near Simon at the Start and leprosy affliction of a Simon at the End.

And so our Inventory is now:

1) 1:29-31 Sickness in Simon's house.

2) 3:16 Jesus gives Simon an extra name, "Peter".

3) 4:15 The Parable of the Sower specifically refers to Peter as in the category of Disciple Failure.

4) 8:32 Peter is presented as the Opposition to the Passion.

5) 14:1-9 A Simon is presented as a Leper.

6) 14:30 Jesus predicts that Peter will Deny him Three times.

7) 14:37 Jesus demotes Peter by using his pre-Disciple name, "Simon" to address him.

8) 14:34-42 Peter Fails to Watch out for Jesus.

9) 14:53-72 Peter Denies Jesus Three times.

10) 14:72 Peter mourns the loss of his life for Denying Jesus.

11) 15:21 Peter Simon is figuratively replaced as Leader of Jesus' followers.



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JW:
Continuing the Inventory:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_6

3 "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended in him."

Note that one of "Mark's" Jesus' supposed brothers is "Simon". The Last brother. Here is "Mark's" Jesus' only comment on Family relations:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_3

31 "And there come his mother and his brethren; and, standing without, they sent unto him, calling him.

32 And a multitude was sitting about him; and they say unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.

33 And he answereth them, and saith, Who is my mother and my brethren?

34 And looking round on them that sat round about him, he saith, Behold, my mother and my brethren!

35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."

This same Jesus specifically had this to say to Simon:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_8

33 "But he turning about, and seeing his disciples, rebuked Peter, and saith, Get thee behind me, Satan; for thou mindest not the things of God, but the things of men."

While the name of "Simon" for one of Jesus' brothers is an Indirect and Subtle criticism of Peter Simon "Mark", as I've shown, always uses the name "Simon" to criticized Peter Simon:

Simon the Zealot

Simon the Leper

Simon the Cyrenian

Thus we have it on good authority that "Mark" is using Narrative to Discredit Simon Peter by presenting a Simon as a brother of Jesus and than specifically indicating by Narrative that this brother was not a real "brother".

And so our Inventory is now:

1) 1:29-31 Sickness in Simon's house.

2) 3:16 Jesus gives Simon an extra name, "Peter".

3) 4:15 The Parable of the Sower specifically refers to Peter as in the category of Disciple Failure.

4) 6:3 A Simon is presented as a brother of Jesus (but not a real "brother").

5) 8:32 Peter is presented as the Opposition to the Passion.

6) 14:1-9 A Simon is presented as a Leper.

7) 14:30 Jesus predicts that Peter will Deny him Three times.

8) 14:37 Jesus demotes Peter by using his pre-Disciple name, "Simon" to address him.

9) 14:34-42 Peter Fails to Watch out for Jesus.

10) 14:53-72 Peter Denies Jesus Three times.

11) 14:72 Peter mourns the loss of his life for Denying Jesus.

12) 15:21 Peter Simon is figuratively replaced as Leader of Jesus' followers.



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JW:
Continuing the Inventory:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_6

3 "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended in him."

Note that Jesus has this to say about family relationships and brothers:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_3

31 "And there come his mother and his brethren; and, standing without, they sent unto him, calling him.

32 And a multitude was sitting about him; and they say unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.

33 And he answereth them, and saith, Who is my mother and my brethren?

34 And looking round on them that sat round about him, he saith, Behold, my mother and my brethren!

35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."

Also note what Jesus' family (the real one) thought of Jesus:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_3:21

"And when his friends heard it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself. (ASV)"

"Friends" is probably a mistranslation as the underlying word means "close to" and the context indicates family.

Now note that all supposed brothers of "Mark's" Jesus except for Judas have the same name as other Disciples in "Mark":

James is first (a nod to the historical brother James?) and is countered with James the son of Alphaeus.

Joses is countered with Joseph of Arimathaea (ari Matthia - understand Dear Reader?)

Simon is Last (the First is Last) and countered with Simon the Cananaean. Note that Simon Peter is originally and only defined as a Brother:

"And passing along by the sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and Andrew the brother of Simon casting a net in the sea; for they were fishers."

Regarding the supposed brother Judas, "Mark's Jesus gives us reason not to expect to see him again:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_14

21 "For the Son of man goeth, even as it is written of him: but woe unto that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had not been born."

"Judas" = Judah = Jews.

Thus we have it on good authority that "Mark" is using the Names of the supposed brothers of Jesus and specifically Simon to Discredit them by providing the Same name to other Disciples who are not specifically Negatively portrayed like their namesake.

And so our Inventory is now:

1) 1:29-31 Sickness in Simon's house.

2) 3:16 Jesus gives Simon an extra name, "Peter".

3) 4:15 The Parable of the Sower specifically refers to Peter as in the category of Disciple Failure.

4) 6:3 The name "Simon" is assigned to a brother of Jesus who is presented unfavorably.

5) 8:32 Peter is presented as the Opposition to the Passion.

6) 14:1-9 A Simon is presented as a Leper.

7) 14:30 Jesus predicts that Peter will Deny him Three times.

8) 14:37 Jesus demotes Peter by using his pre-Disciple name, "Simon" to address him.

9) 14:34-42 Peter Fails to Watch out for Jesus.

10) 14:53-72 Peter Denies Jesus Three times.

11) 14:72 Peter mourns the loss of his life for Denying Jesus.

12) 15:21 Peter Simon is figuratively replaced as Leader of Jesus' followers.



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This is an interesting thread. I like the connections you make and this seems to fit in with the book I am currently reading "James the brother of Jesus" by how the Pauline church sought to discredit Peter, James and the family of Jesus.

Paul was against Peter and I've read that some of the sectarian writings have peter talking about a certain "my enemy"...I wonder, was Paul aka Simon Magus?
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JW:
http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_10:46

"And they come to Jericho: and as he went out from Jericho, with his disciples and a great multitude, the son of Timaeus, Bartimaeus, a blind beggar, was sitting by the way side. (ASV)"

http://www.zhubert.com/bible?book=Ma...er=10&verse=46

"καὶ ἔρχονται εἰς Ἰεριχώ καὶ ἐκπορευομένου αὐτοῦ ἀπὸ Ἰεριχὼ καὶ τῶν μαθητῶν αὐτοῦ καὶ ὄχλου ἱκανοῦ ὁ υἱὸς Τιμαίου Βαρτιμαῖος τυφλὸς προσαίτης ἐκάθητο παρὰ τὴν ὁδόν"

"υἱὸς Τιμαίου Βαρτιμαῖος"

-Son-Timaeus-"BarTimaeus"

Note that "Mark" explains to his Greek speaking audience here that "Bar" is Aramaic for "Son". Also note that "Mark" Forges (so to speak) the character name here with a combination of "Son" (Βαρ) and "Timaeus" (Τιμαίου) = Βαρτιμαῖος. The Reaction of "Matthew" and "Luke" is to exorcise the name. This is the last Healing of Jesus, the end of the Healing Ministry, and Right before Jerusalem where the Passion Ministry begins.

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_14:36

"And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; remove this cup from me: howbeit not what I will, but what thou wilt. (ASV)"

http://www.zhubert.com/bible?book=Ma...er=14&verse=36

"καὶ ἔλεγεν αββα ὁ πατήρ πάντα δυνατά σοι παρένεγκε τὸ ποτήριον τοῦτο ἀπ' ἐμοῦ ἀλλ' οὐ τί ἐγὼ θέλω ἀλλὰ τί σύ"

"αββα ὁ πατήρ"

Abba-the-Father

Here "Mark" explains that Abba is Aramaic for "Father" Right before the Passion starts in earnest. In a Gospel supposedly set in Aramaic which uses Aramaic sparingly, "Mark" has now explained that "Bar" means "Son" and "Abba" means "Father".

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_15:7

"And there was one called Barabbas, [lying] bound with them that had made insurrection, men who in the insurrection had committed murder. (ASV)"

"ἦν δὲ ὁ λεγόμενος Βαραββᾶς μετὰ τῶν στασιαστῶν δεδεμένος οἵτινες ἐν τῇ στάσει φόνον πεποιήκεισαν"

"Βαραββᾶς" = "Βαρ" (Son) + "αββᾶς" (of the Father)

Note that "Mark" has explained to his Greek audience exactly what the meaning of "Βαραββᾶς" is. Understand Dear Reader? In both instances "Mark" combines "Son" with a name, Bartimaeus, Barabbas. This is why Bartimaeus is named in a Gospel which normally does not name the favorable characters. "Mark" has a reason for the name.

Thus we have it on good authority that not only is "Barabbas" a Contrived name but that "Mark" wanted to be sure that his Reader knew it was a contrived name. This is heavy evidence that "Mark" also used the name "Simon" in a Contrived fashion.



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