itsamysteryhuh

Okay, so what is said about Satan? Plus, are you someone who does not believe in what the Bible says, yet believes what the Enoch says? Basically, I don't understand your reasoning here.

Was Satan (also called Serpent, Belial, Beelzebub, Apollyon, Abaddon, etc) not an angel who rebelled against God? If not, then please tell me who Satan is.

JPD

No, one just thinks that one is oneself within a complex web of life. I don't imagine that I can create and control the universe, which is the claim made for God by humans.

Where do you get your "information" from - mine comes from the planet earth. You might like it there, though I doubt it can live up to the ideals of heaven. All this "truth" keeps getting in the way.

And completely meaningless to boot.

JPD

You can quote anything and it will still not support anything you postulate because the text that you are quoting floats on a cloud of its own self-righteousness. Since it is not tethered to anything that anyone can describe in any way whatsoever to be actual evidence, you can get excited without having to question any of it.

Chris Weimer

I don't believe what Enoch says. It's not what I believe, but what the ancient Jews believed.

Satan is a mythological figure of a prosecuting angel for God who became demonised as time goes on. The earliest Jewish literature reflects Satan in this manner (The first chapter of Enoch, Job, etc...) but the further we move, with its final culmination in Christianity, he becomes the Devil that we know of him today. BTW - do you have any evidence that Satan = Serpent = Belial = Beelzebub = Apollyon = Abaddon?

jonesg

You keep looking for evidence instead of seeking what you can actually DO which will provide your own proof.

JPD

Without evidence anything can be claimed. Whether it is true or not we will have to wait and see. We may never find out. You can't conduct a sane conversation on such a basis however. I could claim the wildest things, such as the universe is surrounded by fish and chips. Do you feel the need to believe that? Would you base an entire belief system on it?

JPD

Also, you can't prove anything. Demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt perhaps but that isn't going to happen either - something is needed to base the belief on if it is to be considered valid in any way. That something needs to be something that makes sense to everyone else.

JPD

I have already DOne it and, although I believed in it at the time, there wasn't anything there to believe in - I have already told you this. Please read the posts properly.

judge

Hi jonesg,
Can you expand on this.

I can PM you if more appropriate.

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<fundybot>
Satan is the Serpent in the Garden of Eden that tempts Eve... I mean, who else could it be? A simple talking serpent? That's ridiculous... because serpents don't talk! What's that you say? The punishment for the serpent tempting Eve was to live on its belly and eat dust for the rest of its days? Can't you see that's an allegory to Satan's fall from heaven???111!!?!?!11</fundybot>