Peter Kirby

It's an old problem, for teachers, which I thankfully am not. Do you type the bullet points on the projector or do you type what the teacher would say if he were speaking to his best and most chummy student? I assume you do not want cliff's notes to what I am thinking.

best,
Peter Kirby

Peter Kirby

By the way, my reference to "A Response by a Romanian Priest to an Uninformed Atheist" is my idea of Jimmy Fallon doing an impression of Jerry Seinfeld (not Jerry Lewis). Don't mind my idea of humor. God, if He existed, must have smirked a little at the quip.

best,
Peter Kirby

hope's daughter

Isn't it nice to know that both Atheists and Christians have this incommon? Rudeness.

You are right. Maybe he is just playing period. Hey we all do it out here on the net.

Of course that is if I have any which is what you are implying with your first sentence here but we have already established that my manners are just like yours so join the club.

hope's daughter

I like you kirby...you are alright in my book.

livius drusus

More of the same. You'll excuse me if I refrain from further response to your discourtesy masked as humor.

Peter Kirby

Earlier you said, "I am not a professional. Heck I want to learn and I think unbelievers can learn from believers and visa versa. I think when you let biases get in the way creative juices are stifled." This is clearly in contradiction to the behavior of marginalizing the thoughts of infidels who (a) speak like professionals and (b) don't agree (yet) on the question of God's existence.

Epictetus in his Handbook said with wisdom: "46. Never call yourself a philosopher, nor talk a great deal among the unlearned about theorems, but act conformably to them. Thus, at an entertainment, don't talk how persons ought to eat, but eat as you ought. For remember that in this manner Socrates also universally avoided all ostentation. And when persons came to him and desired to be recommended by him to philosophers, he took and- recommended them, so well did he bear being overlooked. So that if ever any talk should happen among the unlearned concerning philosophic theorems, be you, for the most part, silent. For there is great danger in immediately throwing out what you have not digested. And, if anyone tells you that you know nothing, and you are not nettled at it, then you may be sure that you have begun your business. For sheep don't throw up the grass to show the shepherds how much they have eaten; but, inwardly digesting their food, they outwardly produce wool and milk. Thus, therefore, do you likewise not show theorems to the unlearned, but the actions produced by them after they have been digested." This is a saying which I myself have not fully digested and put into application. But if I had to pick an ancient "bible" to interpret as an authoritative text for living, I would pick the Enchiridion of Epictetus. It works for me.

Also a quote applicable here, "42. When any person harms you, or speaks badly of you, remember that he acts or speaks from a supposition of its being his duty. Now, it is not possible that he should follow what appears right to you, but what appears so to himself. Therefore, if he judges from a wrong appearance, he is the person hurt, since he too is the person deceived. For if anyone should suppose a true proposition to be false, the proposition is not hurt, but he who is deceived about it. Setting out, then, from these principles, you will meekly bear a person who reviles you, for you will say upon every occasion, 'It seemed so to him.'"

best,
Peter Kirby

hope's daughter

I am sorry you took it as such. I hope you will see things differently tommorow. Somtimes things appear differently than the way they actually are.

hope's daughter

Kirby, like livius, I will refrain from answering as I think yes the post by Celsus does deserve my attention or atleast an attempt at some kind of answer.

Best wishes to you and also God bless!

Soul Invictus

no problem

Soul Invictus

I think the reason for the snide remark is because hope's daughter isn't able to take the criticism and make it fruitful, by educating herself; instead she's chosen to get defensive People usually resort to this when they've treaded into unchartered waters without a life preserver.


Rest assured that mostly everyone who frequents these boards has no problem whatsoever making sense of your statements. Its a general consensus for those with some sort of familiarity in said topics.