Chili

But Craig, eternity exist between the first and second death and that is where heaven and hell are.

makerowner

Why are you guys even trying to understand Chili? It's been mathematically proven to be impossible.

Chili

Just telling Craig that 40 years of purification is equal to hell on earth if only 40 months are needed = purgation (Purgatory) for 40 years to be in flames for 40 years and die nontheless. That's go to be hell, I would say.

Notice that only in Matthew Jesus returned to Galilee instead of going on to Isreal. This means that resurrection did not follow in Matthew and to hell he went except that the Jews did not recognize it as hell because heaven was not known to them as of yet.

Joan of Bark

Chili, nothing you write is obvious to anybody (and I've read Genesis several times).

Chili

But in Gen.1 "God said" (not Lord God) and the essence of creation was called into existence while nothing was formed yet.

Then in Gen.2 Lord God formed that which was created in Gen.1 and created nothing of his own but only formed that which was to be.

Then in Gen.3 'like god' was created inside the imagination of man now with a mind of his own wherein man became co-creator with God except that nothing that he created ever took form but remained an illusion instead.

The obvious here is that God did not create Adam and Eve but created man and woman and it is man who created the Adam image of man that is made known in the "who told you that you were naked" (cf. Gen.2:25). It is this Adam image only that was banned from Eden while man and woman remained in Eden as the naked animal man . . . which then is the condition to which we must return to enter Eden and have paradise on earth.

It is about this total abandonment that the Gosples are about which should take 40 months instead of 40 years. To achieve this we must be reborn of the Gen.1 God (obviously) and not the 'like god' of Gen.3 (carnals desire etc.) as John 1:13 tells us.

Always remember here that essence precedes existence as the Ideal after which the mold is made wherein dust is formed.

Chili

A good beginning here is to abandon the idea that the Gospels are synoptic.

Chili

Not even good to keep the law if the cross of eternal salvation is for sinners only. Moses wrote the law not to stop the orgy but to convict sinners so that salvation could come their way.