Littlejohn

One of the documents found at Khirbert Qumran (the 'Mount of the Ruins') and that has raised more puzzles than all, is certainly the so-called Copper's Scroll. Scholars still uselessly they debate about the meaning of the document, which it is a sort of 'treasure map', ie that into it are mentioned places, within the Jerusalem of the time, where there would were hidden some treasures: money probably mixed with precious objects.

As soon as was announced the contents of the Copper's Scroll, a veritable treasure hunt, which spoke the same Giacobbo in his Voyager program, you roused. Needless to say that the researches were in vain and that no treasure was found until today (and never will be found!), in the places indicated by the copper map.

The reason for this it is possible to learn in thinking carefully about what reported by Josephus in his works. Until today, however, experts have thought that the one was a sort of 'social game', or something like that, among the inhabitants of Qumran ... And yet, the fact that such a site was destroyed by the legions of Titus, would due more solicit the mind of scholars ...


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mountainman

Is this the Copper Scroll?

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Littlejohn

Yes, it is.





I think I have wrong while writing 'Copper's Roll'... Maybe it is more correct 'Roll of Copper'..



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mountainman

The Google stats are a good indication of the conventional terminology and even in the spelling of the terms. While I dont see WIKI as useful for the details, the stubs are generally good for checking English spellings.


For example:

"'Copper's Roll'" - 1 result (0.29 seconds)

Roll of Copper" - About 43,000 results (0.32 seconds) is about rolls of copper

"Copper Scroll" - About 54,900 results (0.37 seconds) is the reference with Copper Scroll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia on top.


Toto or one of the mods might amend the thread title for you.

Anyway it was/is an interesting find.
Was this the recent case of scientific analysis of the copper?


By the way (although I may have asked you before) have you heard of the book

Istoria del Pontificato di Gregorio Magno in Opere di Pietro Giannone,
ed. Bertelli-Ricuperati,
Naples, 1971.

meow

Here we have an excellent example of hit-and-run scholarship. The point is not to have a free and open debate about these claims, but to describe them as a confirmed discovery ('has been able to trace") and to have them propagandized by the media. Scholars who reject the claims will neither be answered nor invited to participate in conferences where the "research" is presented, and by the time all the flaws are pointed out, the propaganda will have had the desired effect on public opinion.

Littlejohn

"..hit-and-run scholarship.."

Sorry...Is that meaning 'disturb's erudition'?...

However, the subject of the debate that I meant open, was centered on the explanation to give at the contents of the Copper Scroll, and not discuss the fact of dating or provenance of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

My attention was focused only on the Copper Scroll and why in the places indicated by this copper map has not been found any treasure. From searches I made on Internet, I learned that on this subject are aroused numerous discussions, which involved, some times, the opinions of leading scholars also. However, at least from what I understand, for me an opinion is like another, since all are far from historical reality.

Since that such an aspect, so I thought currently, should not fall in the subjects 'top secret' which I have reserved for my book, I thought that, at the end of an eventual debate, I would have ended up revealing that to me is the 'canonical' explanation, about the fact that in the places, indicated by the map, have not been found treasures and never you will find.

All this even in order to demonstrate also that today, thanks mainly to 'mummy' Internet, is no longer strictly necessary to frequent courses 'ad hoc' to achieve concrete results, although, of course, those who frequented them are in advantage compared to those who, for one reason or another, could not do it.


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meow

Littlejohn,

I did not mean to imply that you were engaged in hit-and-run-scholarship. I meant that the news item you quoted, with its claim that the "Dead Sea Scrolls were made at Qumran" (a claim, incidentally, that has nothing to do with the Copper Scroll), is an example of hit-and-run scholarship of the worst sort, propaganda issued by individuals whose aim appears to be to score a public relations point, without giving their adversaries an opportunity to be heard. It's "hit-and-run," like a driver who kills a pedestrian and then runs away and is never found. The authors of the claim get the attention, and then those who reject the claim for specific scientific reasons are ignored. This is an unethical silencing technique that his been developed along with other, related techniques such as holding "international conferences" from which opponents of the claims being made are excluded.

Littlejohn

"..(a claim, incidentally, that has nothing to do with the Copper Scroll)..

It's true. However I had already published the post on an Italian forum. It's rare that in Italian forums we keep strictly in line with the opening theme of a particular thread. I'd take the opportunity given me by the my friend Josephus, who had reported this news in the forum, to make known to readers of the forum itself the 'Copper Scroll' subject , which while passionate a certain American public of scholars, goes almost unnoticed at the Italian one ....

I repeat that I did not intend to make publicity at what to you seem particularly irritant. Probably you'll be right, but I needed to start a debate specifically on Copper Roll and about its contents, as behind the correct interpretation of it, there is the opportunity to review many things about the Jewish history before the destruction of Jerusalem .


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meow

Littlejohn,

Again, I did not mean to blame you for raising a topic that was not directly on-topic. I merely meant to say that my statement about hit-and-run scholarship had nothing to do with the Copper Scroll, but was focused on the claims or pretensions falsely being presented as facts in the newspaper article you linked. I find it perfectly normal that you cited the article, and I also find it necessary to point out the ethical issues involved--not in your citing the article, but in the generating of the article itself through "press releases" emanating from researchers who are trying to get public favor on their side while silencing their opponents. What is being presented as "news" is in fact a promotional campaign.

Littlejohn

"..What is being presented as "news" is in fact a promotional campaign..."

Frankly, I was unaware of this, also because I am not interested in 'deep' of it. All I know is that Catania's researchers have used modern investigation techniques, using energized nuclear particles in order to determine the composition of the fibers that constitute the support's papyrus for the writings of the Dead Sea. I can not express any opinion regarding this, as totally fasting of specific knowledge ....

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