mark9950

Which jesus is which?

I found this link

http://www.nccg.org/044Art-2Jesus.html

Now we have the question who is who in the NT.

There were two Jesus'.

It always seems to me that the NT were writings about two different religions and maybe two Jesus'.

Could it be the contradictions are due to two different Jesus' from two different religions?One from Jesus the so-called Christ and one from Jesus Bar-Abbas.

Amos

Jesus Bar-Abbas was the Christ identity which was set free under the name Barabbas. Notice that Pilate looked at the "man [in the image of God]" nature and on three occasions referred to him with "look at the man" (LK 23:22). The Jews, on the other hand, looked at Jesus Bar-Joseph who was the human or Jewish identity and that alone could be convicted by Jewish law and by Jewish law only.

The freedom bought by the free will surrender of this Jewish identity was the freedom of Jesus Bar-Abbas for it is impossible for man to serve two masters. So what really happened here is that one Jesus with two identities nailed his own ego to the cross and walked away from it.

mark9950

The Christ Identity?What do you mean?

rlogan

Well, for that matter there were quite a few "pretenders" to the "Christ" throne - before and after Jesus. Simon Magus is mentioned in the gospels for example.

The Jesus we know might be viewed as sort of the "name brand" version of the Christ - whether he existed or not.

Amos

Yes, the Christ identity is what Peter saw when Jesus asked: "who do you say I am?" This identity was reborn to Joseph when he returned to his native place of origen to give an account of himself, and there while he was 'beyond theology' (and therefore in a stable because there were no rational left thoughts in his mind), gave birth to the child he had left behind ever since he left this non-rational state of mind -- which is when he began to consume from the tree of knowlegde and became a rational human being = Bar-Joseph.

According to this analogy the rebirth of the 'man' identity into the empty rational mind is what created the dual identity of Joseph now called Jesus and the reborn 'man' nature is called the Christ identity.

mark9950

Is the NT testament written from the two christ personnas.

With all the contradictions this could be a possibility.

Is there any more history of Jesus Bar-Abbas OTHER THAN THE BIBLE,and is it possible Jesus Bar-Abbas started his own religion and the writings got mixed up in the NT about Jesus Bar-Joseph ?

What I am saying the bible contains writings from two contradictory religions pieced into one that produces contradictions.

Magus55

No, Barabbas was the prisoner that the Jews released instead of Jesus. And you have yet to demonstrate any convincing evidence of any contradictions outside possible ambiguous translation. Repeating, Jesus is 2000 years late 30 times, in 10 threads, does not a contradiction make.

EstherRose

Considering how thoroughly you all question the bible, have any of you even questioned the validity of this website or the Moffat version of the bible he is using? It sounds like just one person's interpretation of things. Where is the proof that Barabbas was called Jesus? If any of you have the proof, please show it.


Matthew 27
15Now it was the governor's custom at the Feast to release a prisoner chosen by the crowd. 16At that time they had a notorious prisoner, called Barabbas. 17So when the crowd had gathered, Pilate asked them, "Which one do you want me to release to you: Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ?" (NIV version)

Doctor X

It is far more likely that "Jesus Barabas" was original and later writers removed the "Jesus" to avoid confusion then sticking it in.

Now does that mean any of the writers intended readers to confuse him with Junior? Given that this tradition of "letting one of them go" has no existence, it rather shoots the whole historicity of that out of the water.

--J.D.

Amos

Ester that should read "the so called messiah" because nobody knew Jesus as Christ or they would have never crucified him. Also note that this was Matthew which is the Jewish perspective that only looks at Jesus so he could stand convicted under Jewish law.