Godless Dave

Most American Christians learned about Exodus from the movie "The Ten Commandments", not from the Bible itself.

Malachi151

I don't know what all Christians say, I'm just talking about the traditional interpretation.

Its similar to the virgin birth issue. Christians have interpreted the phrase as virgin, whereas Jews know that it was young woman.

I'm sure you can find more info on google.

jgibson000

Yes, that's evident. But whether you intended it or not, you implied that you did. Your (somewhat disparaging) claim was that the idea about the exodus crossing being at the Red Sea and not the sea of Reeds was something that, given your lack of a qualifier, all Christians" believed.

And where do you get your information about what the "traditional [Christian} interpretation" is? Is this something you have good evidence for, or is it just a surmise on your part?

Jeffrey Gibson

Malachi151

Well let's see. My understanding of the "traditional" Christian interpretation of the story of the "splitting of the Red Sea", comes from:

1) My own Sunday school experience
2) Articles that I have read on the subject in popular magazines
3) Conversations with Christians
4) The portraying of this event on television and in movies
5) Christian children's books

Have I done a scientific poll to find out what Christian's believe about this? No.

Maybe I have just somehow been exposed only to the mislead Christians or something eh? Maybe its because I grew up in the south where all the dumb ones live?

I didn't even say anything "disparaging" at all. I simply said that the story as it is typically understood by Jews is different than it is typically understood by Christians.

The Jewish texts have been in Hebrew all along, the Christian texts were translated into Greek and then Latin, leading more more errors. What's your big problem?

reddhedd

I LOVE this! I'm putting it in my e-mail, too.

jgibson000

How many? Enough to make the inductive leap that you make warranted?

Hoo boy. If I had said that I got my knowledge of, and made the sorts of global and apodictic claims about, say, Mithras, that you do about Jesus, early christianity, Christology, and what Christians believe from sources similar to these, you'd be laughing at my credulity and lack of acquaintance with scholarship and the sources I should be getting my data from. And rightly so.

You tell me. You certainly don't seem to be exposed to anything resembling scholarship.

Really? How do you know what Jews "typically understand" about the exodus story? Have you asked Jews where they think the exodus crossing took place. Do you know for a fact that Jews who are not familiar with the Hebrew text of their Bibles and who are not, as the Rabbi you quoted is, grounded in scholarly Biblical studies think that the place that their Biles refer to as the place of the Exodus water crossing was the Reed sea and not the Red Sea?

Isn't this just a surmise on your part?

What Christian scriptural texts narrate the exodus crossing?

Did I say I had a problem, let alone that it was big?

But if you must know, my problem is your posturing as an authority on the matters you make claims about. You continually make statements about what Christians believe and early Christian and its background what it was putatively influenced by, etc. etc. that presumably you want us (and those to whom you give your "lectures") to take as true, well informed, and authoritative, all the while showing that you don't possess the knowledge of, or grounding in, the subjects that your should and must have to speak the way you do.

Jeffrey Gibson

wiccan windwalker

werent there jewish slaves in Egypt? did the Egyptians let their slaves go voluntarily?

RAFH

I think that's why the Egyptians were supposed to be chasing them.

Where'd the number 3 million come from? If so, where did they get all the food and water to sustain them for 40 years in the desert?

Of course, that also brings up the question of how the Egyptian army was going to stop them. And why did it take them so long to get out of a desert that was only 200 miles at its greatest dimension.

I agree, if those 'wheels' do turn out to be real wheels, I'd consider the probability of them having been on boats that sank or capsized or just tossed them over.

As noted, the depths involved in either the gulf of Aquba or Suez would proclude the story of the parting of the seas.

Funny enough, nobody else in the ancient world record any aspect of the event. Not the Egyptians, not anybody.

Malachi151

Oh Jesus, get off it. We all know that Moses Parting the Red Sea is the widely accepted version of this story.

My error here was in thinking that Jews traditionally interpreted the text as Reed Sea, it seems that most Jews actually interpret it as Red Sea also.

And yes, Jews and Christians often do interpret the same stories differently and build different metanarratives around them.

butswana

Every Christian I've ever discussed it with thought that Exodus was an accurate historical record. Slaves building pyramids, plagues, parting the SEA, millions wandering a desert for 40 years, blah, blah, blah...... Of course, they were shitting bricks after talking to me!
Ron Wyatt......BWAH, HAW, HAW, HAW, HAW!