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everettf · 04-18-2011, 05:57 AM

Just curious, Were there no artists at the time of Jesus? You would think that some one as charismatic as Jesus would have been painted or a statue or some thing of him would be available. Not after His demise but during. Just asking.

Andykiwi · 04-18-2011, 06:03 AM

Yeah. If he truly walked on water and did other miraculous stuff he would be the only person in history to have done that and it would have REALLY made him stand out at the time.
It's good reason to think that he didn't, and I'm sure that's the case.

aspronot · 04-18-2011, 06:04 AM

There was and here it is:

Popular Mechanic

Sheshbazzar · 04-18-2011, 08:54 PM

Nah, that's the mug of 'ol Jakob-Bar-Anyjew, recognize him anywhere.

mountainman · 04-18-2011, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by everettf

Just curious, Were there no artists at the time of Jesus? You would think that some one as charismatic as Jesus would have been painted or a statue or some thing of him would be available. Not after His demise but during. Just asking.

Make what you will of p.36 of Graydon Snyder's Ante pacem: archaeological evidence of church life before Constantine.

Quote:

3.3 Sarcophagi

Plate 13: "The sarcophagus located in Sta. Maria Antiqua, Rome.
"Likely the oldest example of Early Christian plastic art"

Description:

"The Teaching of the Law stands in the center, with a Good Shepherd immediately to the right and an Orante immediately to the left. Continuing left is a Jonah cycle, first Jonah resting, then Jonah cast out of the ketos, and finally Jonah in the boat. To the extreme left side stands a river god.

To the right of the Good Shepherd there is a baptism of Jesus with a dove descending. Jesus is young, nude, and quite small next to the older, bearded John the Baptist. A pastoral scene concludes the right end".

Sheshbazzar · 04-18-2011, 09:10 PM

Or.....someone is pulling supposed identifications out of their anus. I can think of at least a half a dozen non-Xian or pre-Xian Hellenic deities these figures could as easily represent.

aeebee50 · 04-18-2011, 10:13 PM

Maybe if we had a picture of Mary then we might have an idea.

hjalti · 04-18-2011, 10:21 PM

Doesn't Jesus still appear to people? We just have to hope that one of these lucky persons has a cellphone with a camera next time Jesus comes to visit someone.:Cheeky:

Jaybees · 04-18-2011, 11:17 PM

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Doesn't Jesus still appear to people? We just have to hope that one of these lucky persons has a cellphone with a camera next time Jesus comes to visit someone.:Cheeky:

Jesus appears over and over again in burnt toast, frosted windows, highway embankments---all over the place. What more evidence do you have to have?

2-J · 04-18-2011, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by everettf

Just curious, Were there no artists at the time of Jesus? You would think that some one as charismatic as Jesus would have been painted or a statue or some thing of him would be available. Not after His demise but during. Just asking.

Apparently someone did do a painting of him! Luke The Evangelist.

Wikipedia says

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Another Christian tradition states that he was the first icon painter. He is said to have painted pictures of the Virgin Mary (for example, The Black Madonna of Częstochowa or Our Lady of Vladimir) and of Peter and Paul. Thus late medieval guilds of St Luke in the cities of Flanders, or the Accademia di San Luca ("Academy of St Luke") in Rome, imitated in many other European cities during the 16th century, gathered together and protected painters. The tradition that Luke painted icons of Mary and Jesus has been common, particularly in Eastern Orthodoxy. The tradition also has support from the Saint Thomas Christians of India who claim to still have one of the Theotokos icons that St Luke painted and Thomas brought to India

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_the_Evangelist

When I visited the Constantinople exhibition at London's Royal Academy a few years ago, I remember at least an icon of Mary (Can't remember if there was also one of Jesus..) which was, by tradition, copied (maybe through a chain of copies) ultimately from a portrait from life by Luke. There is indeed a practice of copying icons down the generations from certain archetypes.

So there you go

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Andykiwi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 2,515	Yeah. If he truly walked on water and did other miraculous stuff he would be the only person in history to have done that and it would have REALLY made him stand out at the time. It's good reason to think that he didn't, and I'm sure that's the case.

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aspronot Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 730	There was and here it is: Popular Mechanic

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Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Nah, that's the mug of 'ol Jakob-Bar-Anyjew, recognize him anywhere.

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Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Or.....someone is pulling supposed identifications out of their anus. I can think of at least a half a dozen non-Xian or pre-Xian Hellenic deities these figures could as easily represent.

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aeebee50 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 5,810	Maybe if we had a picture of Mary then we might have an idea.

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hjalti Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Iceland Posts: 761	Doesn't Jesus still appear to people? We just have to hope that one of these lucky persons has a cellphone with a camera next time Jesus comes to visit someone.:Cheeky:

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