Doug Shaver

Who made Christians the judge of that? Since when was an argument deemed successful or not according to whether it changed the minds of Christians?

aa5874

Richbee, your 10 'facts' contain a serious error. 'Fact' #3 has destroyed your own case. If Jesus predicted that He would be rasised from the dead in 3 days, then on the 3rd day He should be in the tomb alive for everyone to see, and in the same garments that He was buried in.

Richbee, lets get real, if I told you that I will die and 3 days later raise from the dead, wouldn't you go to the place where I was buried and wait for me to rise or wouldn't I stay at burial site, resurected, and wait for you and prove to you that I have conquered death.
Wouldn't you be disappointed if when you arrived at my burial site you didn't see a body. No 'body' is exactly what you do not want.

The empty tomb proves absolutely nothing and in fact bolsters the claim that the resurection was a hoax. Jesus, if he was real, would have known the problems the 'empty tomb' would have caused and should have provided an 'airtight' solution.

All we are left with are speculation, hearsay and at least four different accounts which shows beyond any reasonable doubt that the resurection was a hoax.

TomboyMom

[QUOTE=Richbee]The Gospels represent Four, count 'em FOUR independant accounts, and so when were you going to refute History?[quote] No, they don't. No reputable historian of the bible believes this. Further, they were compiled from oral tradition decades after the facts contained in them. They are not history. Period. Stop claiming that they are.

Huh? According to whom. They've certainly succeeded with me. btw, the Koran is also going strong. Does that make it true?

It is true that Christianity grew out of Judaism. How does that make it any more likely to be true? Do you believe that whole Noah story as well?
Islam also rests on the foundations of Judaism and Christianity...does that make it true?

You cannot use the bible to prove the bible. It is the simplest of fallacies and automatically fails. Recall that Paul never met or laid eyes on Jesus, and seems to know nothing about his alleged life until the period just before his death. Recall that Paul is the first person to have recorded any writing about Jesus, and he did so well after he had died. Please state what first hand accounts Paul cross-examined.

Please stop re-posting already discredited crap you cut and pasted off the internet. Refuting the same stuff over and over gets really tedious. We've already demolished this. Are you hoping someone reads it who hasn't read the earlier threads on which is was trashed?

Kosh

Give it a rest folks, Richbee has been banned for his behavior.

Sven

And nobody saw this coming!

EthnAlln

I suppose we might as well look elsewhere for a debate. Before leaving, I'd like to point out just one false canon in Richbee's antepenultimate posting, since it is a canon I've heard from John Ankerberg and others who claim to be making the New Testament reasonable.

That is the canon that "you can't fool the present generation." Richbee says that the Gospels were written within 60 years of the death of Christ, when there were still people around to contest anything that wasn't true. It's absurd on the face of it, of course, when you consider how many charlatans are publishing successful books of nonsense, even today. And remember that the Church had hundreds of years to edit its work and to suppress contrary opinions, which it did very vigorously.

Yet this critical canon seems to be accepted at face value by those who want to believe it. Well, of course, people do tend to find it easy to believe what they want to believe.

Kosh

Yeah, I like to call this the Argumentum ad Mormons

Vicki

Nitpick: shouldn't that be "Argument ad Morons"?

fromdownunder

Well, I suppose Richbee can now tell all his friends that his arguments were so good, that the IIDB had to ban him from the Boards,because they could not be refuted.

Norm

Kosh

Nope. The Mormons serve as the perfect counter against the claim that the current generation wouldn't be fooled into buying outlandish claims.

(that being said, I've always wondered why the Angels name was... Moroni)