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Where did the Christians get their ideas from? :devil1:  |
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Originally Posted by Toto
Robert M Price has spoken and written at length on comparisons between the gospel stories and acts, both canonical and non-canonical, and Hellenistic Romances.
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It seems to be universally acknowledged among scholars that the Apocryphal Acts of the Apostles owe much in the way of both inspiration and form to the Hellenistic romances. [1] Basically it seems that early Christians indulged a guilty pleasure in reading the novels and were eventually motivated to write their own safe, sanitized versions in the form of the Apocryphal Acts. ...
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But we do know for a certainty that the Pagans also
indulged a guilty pleasure in reading the novels since such novels were very much part of the Pagan milieu of literature. Everyone is assuming that the author of gPeter was a "Christian", but that is not the only possible solution.
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Originally Posted by la70119
....the author of Satyricon, Gaius Petronius Arbiter (ca. 27–66 AD) likely never even heard of the gospels; for there is zero evidence that gPeter or even its predecessor, gCross was written before Satyricon.
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It is quite possible that the pagans
were eventually motivated to write their own safe, sanitized versions in the form of the Apocryphal Acts. The name
Apocryphal means "buried", which is what happened to all the non canonical texts. They were either buried by their heretical preservers or they were burnt and destroyed by the all-powerful orthodox heresiologists.
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Originally Posted by la70119
....But it still doesn't detract from the likelihood that many details were kyped from Petronius' Satiricon. Even the centurion who directed the crucifixion or at least the guarding of the tomb has the same name as the author!
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The people who authored the gnostic gospels and acts indulged in "copy/paste" activity from many sources which included the books of the nt canon, the books of the LXX, other "Gnostic Gospels and Acts" and other books available in the Roman Empire at that time.
The gPeter is seen as docetic. The Cross walks and talks!: Jesus is lead from the tomb by two giant figures whose heads to the sky. Jesus's head is described as being higher than the sky; The cross follows along behind Jesus at a walk. The cross speaks its own talk. It says "YEAH!".
Eusebius classifies this text as heretical:
"the character of the style also is far removed from apostolic usage, and the thought and purport of their contents are completely out of harmony with true orthodoxy and clearly show themselves that they are the forgeries of heretics. For this reason they ought not to be reckoned among the spurious books, but are to be cast aside as altogether absurd and impious. "
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Originally Posted by SOME of my NOTES on gPeter
Classed as Heretical: Docetism: Christ's cry from the cross, in Matthew given as Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? which Matthew explains as meaning My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? is reported in Peter as My power, my power, thou hast forsaken me. Immediately after, Peter states that when he had said it he was taken up, suggesting that Jesus did not actually die. This, together with the claim that on the cross Jesus "remained silent, as though he felt no pain", has led many early Christians to accuse the text of docetism.
F. F. Bruce writes (Jesus and Christian Origins Outside the New Testament, p. 93): Apart from its docetic tendency, the most striking feature of the narrative is its complete exoneration of Pilate from alll responsibility for the crucifixion of Jesus. Pilate is here well on the way to the goal of canonisation which he was to attain in the Coptic Church. He withdraws from the trial after washing his hands, and Herod Antipas takes over from him, assuming the responsibility which, in Luke's passion narrative, he declined to accept. Roman soldiers play no part until they are sent by Pilate, at the request of the Jewish authorities, to provide the guard at the tomb of Jesus.
The villians of the piece throughout are 'the Jews' - more particularly, the chief priests and the scribes. It is they who condemn Jesus to death and abuse him; it is they who crucify him and share out his clothes among themselves.
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02-06-2012, 04:39 PM
