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Old 03-16-2006, 06:03 PM   #51
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Mr. Richbee. Please, please do not come on this site, especially to BC&H and respond like you do. You are a BUZZ KILLER. You add nothing to this beautiful forum. I am sure even the Christians on this site nod their collective heads at you.
Mr. Till probably spent over an hour writing several rebuttals to your claims and you come back and give us this? Spare me.
You need to go over to General Religious Discussions. That is more your forte. I am here not because I am of scholarly persuasion but because I like to learn. Therefore, I ask questions and basicly read a lot.
Take my advice, just read!! You do nothing for these discussions.
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The city of Tyre was one of the most prominent commercial cities in the Mediterranean in ancient times.

Today, nothing of its supremacy remains. - By Will Skiles

The Judeo-Christian Scriptures predicted the desolation of Tyre: that God in His righteous judgment would destroy this city because of its people's sins against Him. The Scriptures provide significant insight into the nature of the Hebrew God, Yahweh, His attributes, and why He is to be feared and honored.

[The Kingdom of] Tyre was once the commercial center of the ancient world, a market place of nations, and a city renown for its beauty and elegance. This city was described as a very wealthy and luxurious place where commerce revolved and business flourished. In the book of Isaiah (23:8), its merchants are called princes, and its traders are designated as "the honorable of the earth." It is apparent that these individuals held tremendous status and power, and that their city was one of the most illustrious and prestigious in the known world.

As we look into the Judeo-Christian Scriptures we find that the people of Tyre became very prideful and vain. In the prophecy of Ezekiel, the Lord says, "...your heart is lifted up, and you say, 'I am a god, I sit in the seat of gods, in the midst of the seas,' Yet you are a man, and not a god" (28:2). According to the book of Ezekiel, the purpose of God's judgment was to humble the people of Tyre and to judge their wickedness. God revealed that though man can say he is a god, he is powerless against the sting of death and the righteous judgments of God.

The book of Ezekiel is dated 593 B.C. to 570 B.C., and was written by a Hebrew prophet named Ezekiel who identifies himself as "Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi." The prophesy against the city of Tyre begins in chapter 26 of this account, where Ezekiel receives a vision from God in which He reveals the destruction of Tyre because of its people's depravity. God's purpose was to humble the people of Tyre, and pronounce His judgments on those who chose to make themselves gods in their own sight. Ezekiel declares seven prophesies in chapter 26:3-21:

Ezekiel 26:3-21
"Therefore thus says the Lord God: 'Behold, I am against you, O Tyre, and will cause many nations to come up against you, as the sea causes its waves to come up [Prediction 1]. And they shall destroy the walls of Tyre and break down her towers; and I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock [Prediction 2]. It shall be a place for spreading nets in the midst of the sea; it shall become plunder for the nations [Prediction 3]... He will slay with the sword your daughter villages in the fields; he will heap up a siege mound against you, build a wall against you, and raise a defense against you [Prediction 4]... They will plunder your riches and pillage your merchandise; they will breakdown your walls and destroy your pleasant houses; they will lay your stones, your timber, and your soil in the midst of the water [Prediction 5]... I will make you like the top of a rock; you shall be a place for spreading of nets, and you shall never be rebuilt [Prediction 6]... I will make you a terror, and you shall be no more; though you are sought for, you will never be found again [Prediction 7].
This Prophesy must be compared to external historical accounts, and must be scrutinized for validity. Shortly after Ezekiel prophesied of God's judgment against Tyre, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon laid siege to Tyre. After a thirteen-year siege, Nebuchadnezzar broke down the city gates and found the city virtually abandoned. [Some] Most of Tyre's citizens moved to an island about one-half mile off the mainland, and there they fortified a city. Though mainland Tyre was destroyed in 573 B.C. by Nebuchadnezzar's army (Prediction 4), Tyre continued to flourish and remained a powerful city many years thereafter.


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Old 03-16-2006, 06:25 PM   #52
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What is at all unusual about the destruction of Tyre? Historically, kingdoms rising and falling has been the rule, not the exception.
That is a very good question, and John A. Bloom writes:
But weren't most ancient cities destroyed? Weren't many sites abandoned? One would think that if one wait long enough, eventually any site will be abandoned. While a detailed answer to these questions goes beyond the bounds of this paper, we can briefly say in response: Not necessarily. Tyre's sister city, Sidon, located about 20 miles up coast, serves as a good control for this possibility. Ezekiel prophesies (28:22-23) that Sidon will face war, plague and famine, but he never says that she will never be rebuilt or will be reduced to a small fishing village. Sidon has had a bloody past; for example, in 352 B.C., 40,000 Sidonians locked themselves in their city and set fire to it rather than submit to the Persians.28 Yet today she persists as a small coastal city of Lebanon, a fact which hampers archaeologists from studying the area. Clearly, if Ezekiel or a later editor had simply switched the names of these sister cities in the predictions, neither would have been fulfilled.
http://www.apologetics.com/default.j...-prophecy.html
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Old 03-16-2006, 06:36 PM   #53
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I'm still enjoying the "glory" of Farrell Till's Tyre!

Check this out!

http://almashriq.hiof.no/lebanon/900.../PIC00023.html

http://almashriq.hiof.no/lebanon/900...fish_souk.html

Hahahahahahaha!

Bahahahahahah!

ROTFLMAO!
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Old 03-16-2006, 07:37 PM   #54
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Here is a great resource:
Note, the "glory" of Farrell Till's Tyre!
More of Farrell Till's Tyre!
Indeed. Ancient ruins are what interests tourists and the casual web surfers, not regular residential/commerical buildings that are not dissimilar to what you would find in any city on the face of the earth. Which is why most pictures on the web show ruins, not modern buildings.
However, Farrell has already shown plenty of pictures of the modern city of Tyre, including aerial photos which show both the built up portion and the archeological site portion of the former island.
And lastly, most of the ruins that amuse you so much date from Roman and Byzantene periods, clearly invalidating Ezekiel's prophecy!

To jolt your memory


Is it just me, or do you appear to want it both ways? You argue that Tyre prophecy concerned a kingdom, not a city. But when it comes to rebuilding, it is about an entity so localized, that you claim that dispite Tyre being well urbanized, the original city of Tyre has not been rebuilt.
Which is it now?

And, to restate the oft asked question, where do you think ancient Tyre was located, if not where modern Tyre is? As Ferrell has stated repeatedly, there are Phonecian ruins underneath the modern city. Tyre that Ezekiel wrote about and which Nebbie tried to conquer was a Phonecian city.
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Clearly, if Ezekiel or a later editor had simply switched the names of these sister cities in the predictions, neither would have been fulfilled.
Clearly, if Ezekiel or a later editor had simply switched the names of these sister cities in the predictions, apologists today would argue that Sidon was never reuilt either. Duh!
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Indeed. Ancient ruins are what interests tourists and the casual web surfers, not regular residential/commerical buildings that are not dissimilar to what you would find in any city on the face of the earth. Which is why most pictures on the web show ruins, not modern buildings.

However, Farrell has already shown plenty of pictures of the modern city of Tyre, including aerial photos which show both the built up portion and the archeological site portion of the former island.

And lastly, most of the ruins that amuse you so much date from Roman and Byzantene periods, clearly invalidating Ezekiel's prophecy!

Is it just me, or do you appear to want it both ways? You argue that Tyre prophecy concerned a kingdom, not a city. But when it comes to rebuilding, it is about an entity so localized, that you claim that dispite Tyre being well urbanized, the original city of Tyre has not been rebuilt.
Which is it now?

And, to restate the oft asked question, where do you think ancient Tyre was located, if not where modern Tyre is? As Ferrell has stated repeatedly, there are Phonecian ruins underneath the modern city. Tyre that Ezekiel wrote about and which Nebbie tried to conquer was a Phonecian city.
Some believe that any settlement or building near to the old Tyre invalidates the prophesy (ies) of Ezekiel.

I disagree, and I have posted many times about this, as what is called Tyre today, in no way - shape or form can be compared to the great port city of the Biblical Tyre.

Today Tyre is best known as a tourist spot and for it's FISHING!!!

We will just have to disagree, and I for one, will always mourn the "glory" of Farrell Till's Tyre!
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Clearly, if Ezekiel or a later editor had simply switched the names of these sister cities in the predictions, apologists today would argue that Sidon was never reuilt [Sic: rebuilt] either. Duh!
I do believe that Sidon is considerably larger than what is today Tyre?
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Just stop, your posts are miserable. Recognize when you've been bested.
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Richbee
Just stop, your posts are miserable. Recognize when you've been bested.
Ha!

Lots of Luck!

Do your own homework!

http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/article_tyre.html
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Let me guess, you Googled it? Saw that it was of like thinking. Then posted it here and told us to do the work?
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