mountainman

The gThomas enjoins the saying "Become a passer-by".
The gospels hardly talk about the HJ as "passer-by".
All sorts of outlandish prophecies are attributed to the HJ.
Fulfilment of prophecy and "passing by" seem contradistinctional.
The HJ has hardly gone unnoticed since the fourth century.
What sort of a "Passer-by" was the Historical Jesus?

Toto

Got a link?

mountainman

gThomas - Saying Number = Douglas Adam's 42 ...........
(42) Jesus said, "Become passers-by."

Minimalist

Don't pick up hitchhikers?

mountainman

That's how I read it - where the hitchhikers are ideologies,
thoughts, traditions and concepts of the world. And yet the
NT canonical accounts present a prophecy oriented identity
for the main character Joshua Christos, where the Hebrew
roadmap is used for the terrain.

Based on this saying in gT, the gThomas and the gospels
seem to have been written by two different ideologically
minded sets of authors. There is conflict in the themes.

Toto

commentaryThere are other expert opinions, of course, but no real disagreement that this is a different flavor of early Christianity.

dog-on

Interesting to see all the disdain for flesh made in the image of the creator, isn't it...

Just another bit of evidence supporting the view that the original Christian god was the stranger god and that the recasting to Yahweh is later.

mountainman

As far as NT studies go, what do you mean by "the recasting to Yahweh"? Could you elaborate a little?

dog-on

1. The Hebrew writings are translated into Greek (LXX)

2. Gentiles find a mystery, hidden within the text

3. This mystery is that there is a greater god apart from and unknown to the Hebrew god and that this hidden god has sent his son to act as a ransom to free humans from the law of the creator.

4. Originators such as "Paul" preached this message as revealed gospel.

5. Later, as the religion fractured, certain groups discounted the idea of a separate god from the creator, instead fusing the character of this unknown god onto the Hebrew god, Yahweh.

6. This fusing accounts for three central quirks of Christianity:

a) A noticable change in the character of god from the orginal Hebrew version to the later Christian version

b) The fact that god, who in the past has no issue dealing directly with his creation, now needs a mediator.

c) The interesting and quite ridiculous "bottom line" of Christianity being that God sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself.

This all clears up once one realises that the original Christian god was another god entirely and makes the entire religion make, as much as any relgion can, sense.

Hope this helps.

wordy

This conflict of Gnostic ideas about flesh being bad and spirit being a good thing.
Monks and Nuns having celibacy as an ideal. Cutting of hair and using simple clothing.

Being Brother and Sister and not individuals with a history and particular traits. All trying to be like Jesus as the ideal human. Not falling for any temptation.

Reminds me of the purity for Buddhist Monks. these ideas are frequent in many different views.

I don't like the opposite like "Libertine" and Nihilistic Hedonism that sometimes abuse and exploit the body regardless of how destructble it is for the individual.

I would prefer a life style that saw the body as a good thing to care about and love without being extreme in any way neither "pure" nor "dirty" in extreme.

A kind of friendly and caring "Bodyism "