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05-26-2012, 09:30 PM | #1 |
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is there evidence for christians being officially persecuted under septimius severus?
After my deconstruction of eusebius in a previous thread I cant find any evidence for this claim. Indeed tertullian seems to say the opposite. Anyone find proof?
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Historia Augusta Life of Septimius Severus - He forbade conversion to Judaism under heavy penalties and enacted a similar law in regard to the Christians.
Not exactly the same thing. The only contemporary account of a martyrdom of the time which is extant, the Passio Perpetuae, the charge is still being a Christian, not having become one. The action must have been only carried on the local level. If Christians are in the same position as Jews and conversion alone is illegal, then simply being a Christian from birth is not illegal and Christianity itself is no crime. |
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Persecution of Severus (200-211)
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Felicitas and Perpetua
Lucas Holstenius (Holste) 1596-1661.
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The latin text was discovered around 1660, the greek text around 1890. The (certainly authentic... ) relics of Saint Perpetua were transferred to Rome in 439, then transported in France in 843 and preserved in Vierzon [center France, south of Paris) since 926. |
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The Acts of the Martyrs only represents a local problem. Tertullian who was also from Carthage often expresses love and devotion for Septimius Severus. The other claim comes from Eusebius and there are real problems with this account. The claim that there were persecutions in the 'tenth year of Septimius Severus' seems to be an error because the start of Demetrius's reign as bishop of Alexandria is actually dated to 'the tenth year of Commodus.' Also mount Vesuvius apparently blew its top in the tenth year of Septimius Severus and that was connected by one Judas the Jew with the events of the seventy weeks in Daniel and the coming of the (anti)Christ. Again I see no evidence of an actual persecution.
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Stephan, please note :
- 10 + 5 egyptian martyrs during the persecution of Septimius Severus. - Origen was allegedly an eyewitness, and was NOT beheaded or burnt alive. - The Cath Encycl does not believe that Origen was the author of the Acts of Felicitas and Perpetua. |
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Septimius Severus was an African general before becoming emporer. It is historically defensible that Severus persecution was a localized thing stemming from his time as governor of mauritania.
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I can see that there may have been persecutions of origen and those associated with him but being a christian per se was still okay
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I think there is good evidence that a number of Christians died for their faith during the reign of Septimius Severus.
What is much less clear is whether Septimius Severus officially supported such persecution. The main piece of supposedly direct evidence is Historia_Augusta/Septimius_Severus Quote:
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