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Resistor · 06-22-2004, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed

A well trained swordsman would end up disembowelling a well trained swordswoman almost everytime. Sorry to burst your bubble.

What Jack the Bodiless said was that a woman could disembowel an attacker almost as well as a man. Someone who can disembowel a person almost as well as that person can disembowel them would indeed be disemboweled almost every time. I doubt that Jack the Bodiless was talking about a well trained swordsman.

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Originally Posted by Ed

Because God would have let most of them live fairly long lives and die of natural causes. God only killed using hebrews those peoples that occupied the Promised Land.

If God would have let them live, why did he allow them to be killed?

Ed · 06-22-2004, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lpetrich

Originally Posted by lpetrich
An omnipotent, omniscient being ought to be able to tell Ed:

* What I've named my computer's hard disks.
* What my computer's video card(s) is/are.
* What the brand names are of the computer keyboard, mouse, and monitor(s) that I'm currently using.

Ed: He is able but probably not willing given the fact we are commanded not to put Him to the test.

lp: That seems to me to be an evasive response, sort of like ESP researchers claiming that ESP powers do not work when skeptics are around. If one makes far-reaching claims, one ought to be willing to submit them to critical scrutiny.

If I claim to have invented a medicine I'll call Peachtree that can cure everything from cancer to the common cold, I am willing to accept that many people will be skeptical of that and will want to see Peachtree tested.

Which is why I ask those questions above.

Over the last 2000 years God has demonstrated His powers to thousands of skeptics, including C.S. Lewis, originally an atheist, and me, originally an agnostic. And many many others. Who knows He may even demonstrate them to you someday.

lpetrich · 06-22-2004, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed

Over the last 2000 years God has demonstrated His powers to thousands of skeptics, including C.S. Lewis, originally an atheist, and me, originally an agnostic.

C.S. Lewis was talked into converting; he didn't watch the Thames River get parted in the fashion of the Red Sea in Exodus. In fact, one does have to wonder why we don't see such big miracles anymore -- if they ever happened.

And let's let Ed speak for himself as to what qualifies as "God demonstrating his powers" to him.

Ed · 06-23-2004, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lpetrich

Ed, someone who claims to know Hebrew ought at least to know the alphabet -- which ought to be enough to search Strong's Concordance with.

And now for the translation:

The Queen of Swords will enjoy exposing your foolishness for all the world to see.

I could identify the first two words in Strong's Concordance:
m-l-k-h - malkah - 04436 - queen
ch-r-b - chereb - 02719 - sword

combined in the phrase

m-l-k-t h-ch-r-b-w-t
queen-of the-swords

Her words had slightly different spellings than my concordance. But if I had had the inclination and time, I probably would have eventually figured it out.

Jack the Bodiless · 06-24-2004, 02:07 AM

Ed:

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A well trained swordsman would end up disembowelling a well trained swordswoman almost everytime. Sorry to burst your bubble.

A man would probably beat a woman if they were otherwise precisely equal in skill.

Do you really believe that ancient armies armed only their best swordsman, who then did all the fighting in a series of one-on-one duels?

It is a FACT that the Celts has female warriors. And any marauder tackling a trained female warrior runs a very serious risk of meeting a superior opponent and getting himself killed. Even if he's the best swordsman in the world, he could still be killed by TWO expert female warriors.

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Please explain why their border patrols stopped and interrogated marauders, asked them their business, and allowed them to pass if they were after UNMARRIED Hebrew women.

Huh? I never said that is what they did. They didn't really have what we would call border patrols. And ALL marauders would be attacked if they were known to exist. I was just saying that if some marauders made it into Israel then unmarried women would be very vulnerable to attack.

...If they lived alone, perhaps. But you're still implying that the "morally superior" Hebrews would stand aside and allow marauders to attack unmarried women living among them.

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jtb: ...So those killed by Nazis are "more dead"? Or do they go to a lower circle of Hell?

Please explain why being killed by Nazis is worse than being killed by Hebrews.

Because God would have let most of them live fairly long lives and die of natural causes. God only killed using hebrews those peoples that occupied the Promised Land.

...Huh?

The Hebrews supposedly slaughtered all the male children, and all the females they didn't want for themselves!

And this differs from the Holocaust... how, exactly? Because the Nazis didn't want Jewish girls?

Ed · 06-24-2004, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack the Bodiless

No, God gives him NO chances, according to every translation of the Bible.

No, God had "hardened his heart".

Pharaoh got none, and all the other Egyptians (who were not in any way responsible for Pharaoh's conduct or decisions) got none either.

Fraid not, see this whole thread.

Ed · 06-24-2004, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by highpreistess

The civilization of ancient egypt was run by the progeny of nephilim,
and Pharoah obtained his power by enslaving the sons of men. Pharoah
was one of nine fallen angels who had taken on the flesh to rule with
absolute power over mankind. (zohar). He routinely put people to death
for little things, never mind for murder or other atrocities. He was an
absolute ruler who ruled men with impunity. Pharoah considered himself
divine, he was protected by high priests and even shown the way through
the bardo state, to come back and be.....Pharoah, yes they figured it all
out and enslaved the sons of men. (sodomy)

God came to the rescue of the slaves of goshen. That much is clear, but
they still had to empower themselves with freedom. They did not resort
to murder, only Moses did that, and that was to kill and egyptian.

The plagues came, and each plague represented a 'freedom' that had been
taken from the sons of men, by the fallen angels who took on the flesh.

Each plague that came upon Egypt was because they had categorically
denied any freedoms to the sons of men. Each plague corresponds to
a commandment. Each commandement was given so that men would
be judged by the law, and not by men who rule by absolute power.

Pharoah considered himself god. Remember that the Pharoah could commune in all three realities, and did so. The first reality was completely ruled by
Pharoah, because he could traverse the other two. We see this clearly
with Edgar Cayce, who left his body and entered the other two realities,
he remembered how to do this, because he was a High priest of Egypt,
Roo Ta.

The masses were enslaved in the first reality. It is the reason that the
pyramids were built, to keep the mass consciousness of the people set
in stone. Set in Carbon consciousness, in the physical body.

Pharoah had no reason to fear the god of the habiru, or wanderers. He
had gathered up the wanderers (sons of men) and they were all under
his control.

God said, that he would destroy the Ammonite (practioner of the
secret (sod) of the (dam) blood, from off the face of the earth.

So moses led the children of Abraham out of Egypt, he killed Pharoah,
and his first born, by giving birth to Gershon, (a stranger in a strange
land). He cut off the bloodline that these nephilim were using to
incarnate and reincarnate through. (Egyptian book of the dead).

Pharoah was not unlike the Dalai Lama, who has been incarnating along
with other panchen lamas for the past 1300 years, creating an absolute
theocracy wherein the people become enslaved by him and can only
be saved by following him.

The dalai lama originally left china because those high priests protected
the power block and the bloodline of the chinese Emperor. For the same
reason that the high priests of egypt protected the pharoah.

The dalai lama felt he was invincible. And just like the Pharoah of
Egypt, the dalai lama who ruled with absolute tyranny, (punishment
to the masses meant gouging eyes out and amputations, along with
imprisonment and death.) saw the red tide come also.....

It's obvious that people do not understand what sodomy truly is and
how it has affected life on earth.....

hp

You make many unsupported assertions in this post. Care to back them up?

Ed · 06-24-2004, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack the Bodiless

Ed, if you discovered a surviving family of Amalekites in the 21st century...

...would you murder them?

...what should a "true Christian" do to them?

Love them.

Jack the Bodiless · 06-25-2004, 03:00 AM

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No, God gives him NO chances, according to every translation of the Bible.

No, God had "hardened his heart".

Pharaoh got none, and all the other Egyptians (who were not in any way responsible for Pharaoh's conduct or decisions) got none either.

Fraid not, see this whole thread.

...In which I conclusively PROVED that God initially hardened Pharaoh's heart in EVERY translation of the Bible.

Re-read this thread. NOW.

Especially my April 5th post. Also my May 4th post.

Jack the Bodiless · 06-25-2004, 04:00 AM

This is what I said before:

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...So there you have it.

In EVERY TRANSLATION, God either SPECIFICALLY hardens Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 7:13, or Pharaoh's heart hardens in 7:13 AS GOD HAD SAID in Exodus 7:3, where GOD said that HE would harden Pharaoh's heart.

...Isn't it amazing what you learn if you actually READ the Bible?

So here's a little exercise for you, Ed.

If you STILL wish to argue that Pharaoh initially hardened his own heart in Exodus 7:13, then you need to explain why this happened "as God had said".

This is a reference to Exodus 7:3, where he clearly said that HE would harden Pharaoh's heart.

If you still wish to pretend otherwise, then YOU must provide the Biblical verse in which God said, prior to Exodus 7:13, that PHARAOH was going to harden HIS OWN heart.

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