JoyJuice

I kind of agree with Steven. The Bible is an ancient anthology consisting of one culture's traditions, prose, pslams, epistles, etc., I have no argument against it. It's a product of it's environment. My argument would be the absolute claims of many made about the Bible.

Truthtells

Nightson,

The prophecy is talking about judgment, not limited to a particular person. Judgment happens through people and environment.

Tyre was not destroyed by the island settlement was. He destroyed the island in 332 BC. Today the island is still a pile of rubble, a testimony to God's judgment.

What's the problem?

Truthtells

NZSkep,

Not against the existence of the Bible, but the claims of the Bible.

I think I asked just your best 2 or 3 arguments.

Truthtells

MadMez,

Why is God a figment?
How do you know it is God of the Bible who causes you to click reply?
Why does God not exist if I read?

Truthtells

Avatar,

Scientifically I think geologists agreed what gave way to cause the local flood; it was a major landslide and they found various artificacts at the bottom of the seabed thought should not be there indicating the real flood. Where in the Bible does it say it is worldwide?

Why would Israel want Egyptian culture in their ways? For 40 years in the desert you might not expect a trace of Egyptian control.

From the 9 days it took to get to mount Median, then it was around 40 years to change any trace of their enslavement for 430 years. I think that would be God's will.

Can you find any documentation of anyone from 2000-1500 BC of migration in addition to the records we have of Israel escaping the Pharoah?

Is it fair to find artifacts in every single place? Many archaelogical findings corroborate many things such as wars, but if you are going to nitpick, surely you will find something you can't corroborate in past archaelogical things. That's just how things are, for example, Isarel hid Moses' grave so it could never be found on purpose.

Instead of looking at 1001 things, just show me your best 3 items.

They have objects with open mouths where they then put their children into. This was common practice in the ancient world. Even Abraham gave his child a sacrifice to God, but God stopped him.

Since people were so convinced in their god, what could God do but destroy them? As proof they are destroyed many of those nations no longer exist, but Israel remains.

Massive conversion is creating robots. God did not creat man to be robots but to give him a free choice. Doesn't this seem reasonable?

Certainly God can change minds, but not by coercion. Do you see that?

Truthtells

JoyJuice,

What absolute claims are you against and why?

Nightson

Except it is limited, to Nebuchadnezzer, the person God says he is going to bring down on Tyre as an instrument of his judgement. If I say the Iranians will conquer the US, and then 300 years later the Swiss conquer the US, the original prophecy is not correct.

Tyre was an island settlement and as for it being a pile of rubble...

sateryn

no, it doesn't. here's why:

1. god is the first-cause of all reality - therefor, the fact that man needed free will to not be robots is by god's design... otherwise he could have just created a reality in which we all believed in him and loved him of our own free will.

2. god is not the first-cause of all reality - therefor, certain 'rules' are in place that god has no power over, such as free will being required for a sentient entity to freely choose one path or another, in which case that disproves a claim as to the nature of god within the bible.

no, god can not change minds... the bible makes certain claims as to the nature of god, chief amoung them being omniscience: not just universal awareness, of but of the whole reality from beginning to end.

if god knows everything that ever was, is, or will be, than god knows what choices will be made by both man and himself, in advance of them happening - due to this knowledge, any decision or act god does is nothing more than acting out the part. you can't one day up and change your mind and decide to do something different from what you already knew you were going to do... if you did, you would have already known it.

this is especially true of mankind, and is why 'free will' doesn't exist in a biblical context - because even if we're free to make our own choices within the confines of our interactions with each other, by knowing every choice we would make back at the beginning of time, and choosing to start the whole process anyways, god basically created us to do nothing but exactly what god scripted us to do.
we were created to make the choices we make, even if we freely make the choice in our minds at the time.

JoyJuice

Not against, but not very compelling at all. Take for instance that all contents, stories, accounts of the Bible are true; in a era were the common genre' to depart meaning was the story. Stories commonly called mythology.

Truthtells

Nightson,

Nebuchadnezzer was certainly brought down as judgment. It's like the Spanish starting the panama canal and USA finishing it.

The island settlement is gone, Tyre that you see there remains. This is achaeloglically proven. I don't think it is wise to confuse the two.