FatherMithras

Lol, I see I already got defended. Thank you. ISVFan seems to not undes\tand the idea of "truth" and is apparently either making up sources or going to non experts.

FatherMithras

What a coincidence. MY friend also attended hebrew University. He lives in Israel right now and used to do archeological work there. AND that's only ONE of my sources.

David Vestal

Let's call it, for arguments sake, say...Hindubuddhislamastrianism.

Actually, no. Atheism is the universal negative. For any position on the question of "do gods exist" that is distinct from atheism, atheism is the negation of that position, and that position has the burden of proof if it wants anyone to believe in whatever deities it claims exist.

You mentioned me making a case for atheism to a non-christian theist. Don't you realize that the only way to do that (to offer evidence for the negative) would be to tear down the arguments for his theism? In other words, don't you realize that my position is the default recourse when his position becomes untenable?

You might try looking up the "presumption of atheism" argument.

FatherMithras

I'd still like an apology from ISVfan for spouting off without having any idea of what he's talking about.

ISVfan

Apologize for what? I said you didn't know Hebrew you don't. Ok you have a friend I have a friend both seem to have the same credentials another poster suggested my friend was a Christian this is false. He is actually of the Jewish Religion that believes the Messiah is yet to come. But he believes he will be Virgin born. I apologize for assuming you just picked your position but I will not apologize for saying you don't know Hebrew.

Diogenes the Cynic

Your friend is incredibly ignorant both of the Jewish expectations of the Messiah and of the meaning of Isaiah 7:14....not to mention Hebrew.

Dude, take my word for it. You're woefully misinformed.

Straight A

I think you are willfully ignoring the point here.

The onus is on the person making the claim to prove it is true, not on the person refuting it prove it is false.

If I claim to know that inside my fridge lives a nation of tiny brown aliens who dissapear on inspection, is it up to you to disprove (the unfalsifiable) or is it up to me to show you evidence that this phenomenon actually exists ?

It would appear your strength of conviction is based on the idea that your notions cannot be disproved. If you cannot say 'look here's proof it happened' then why do you think it is true, wishful thinking ?



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buckshot23

Curious, is bethulah always translated as "virgin". Likewise is almah always translated as young maiden or some equivalent?

FatherMithras

Not sure. However, if God is perfect he'd at least use the word most suited to the description, as opposed to one that could "sort of imply" it.

buckshot23

Neither word is always translated that way. There is no word that always means virgin as far as I know.