BlakeEM

The more I think about it the more the basic things of the bible seem totally absurd. Just the simplest things that people say it teaches make absolutely no sense at all.

Ok an all powerful all knowing all good and loving god creates humans (and a bit faulty humans because they are able to sin). These humans he creates are all going to go to hell because one ate and apple that he told them not to eat even though he put it right in front of them along with a serpent that will tell them to eat it. It seems he needs to test humans for some reason. :huh: I guess he can't just know these things, he has to experiment.

To fix this god gives his son (or himself for those that say Jesus is god) so when they kill him he will forgive them. First off why do you need to sacrifice something before he could forgive us? Also why would he only forgive us after we killed his son?



This is like saying ONLY after someone murders your family will you give them a chance of not burning for eternity but only if they believe that your family that they killed died for them. This makes no sense at all to me.

On top of this the story logic of a god who not only forgives us only after we kill his son but he himself that is suppose to be free of sin and totally perfect and all powerful clearly commits sin himself in the bible.

http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/sevensins.html

Has anyone ever got an explanation of why god only forgives us after we killed his son? The only thing I can think of is that Jesus some how liked us so he sacrificed himself (but letting us kill him or something, kind of like suicide by cop like people do now days) to show god how much he cares for us so god will be nice and not throw all of us into hell, he will only throw the people who don’t believe in his son in hell. I figured god could do that without anyone dieing, you know him being all powerful and loving and forgiving, but I guess not.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes on him shall not parish but have everlasting life.�

Normally sacrifice is to a higher power or to gain something out of it but god can’t sacrifice Jesus to himself now can he? Who else or what else would Jesus sacrifice effect? It says that god sent his son, not that Jesus sent himself so obviously Jesus didn’t get himself killed because on the cross he asks god why he has forsaken him. It seems to me that god send Jesus and we killed him only because god wanted us to for some reason. If god didn’t want us to kill him then he wouldn’t have let it happen. However only after we killed him did god some reason see it in his all loveing heart to not send us all to hell, but only those that worship him and know his sons sacrifice (a seemingly not very willing sacrifice).

The simplest and most basic stories of the bible are totally incoherent.

jonesg

As are the prophesies which predicted all this would happen.

But how did they know?

After Jesus said "why have you forsaken me" ,

he said something else.

Diogenes the Cynic

There are no prophesies which predicted any such thing.
No he didn't. Not in Mark or Matthew. They claim those were his last words. Luke says his last words were "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit" (which makes no sense if his spirit WAS God). John claims that Jesus' last words were "It is finished." Neither Luke nor John mentions the Psalms quote from Mark/Matthew. There are three contradictory accounts of Jesus' last words, four if you really want to nitpick the Eloi/Eli difference in Mark and Matthew.