spamandham

I have none. It was an assumption. Please enlighten us.

Jeffrey Gibson

This:

was an assumption?? It contains an assertion that Helena stated that she found Nazareth.

OK. You have no clue what you are taking about. You are not familiar with primary sources. Those you do know about, you fail to read carefully. And you present yourself as having knowledge about matters NT that you don't possess.

But I really don't think anyone really needed to be enlightened about these things since they have always been pretty transparent.

Jeffrey

Jeffrey Gibson

A Holy Sepulchre Church in Nazareth??

Jeffrey

spamandham

Yes, an assumption. I'm not sure why you find that so surprising.

The last sentence is flat out false, the italicized sentence is mostly true, and the rest is your personal opinion, which I could care less about.

How many times must I explicitly state I am not an expert nor do I claim any expertise before it sinks in? Would an expert start a thread requesting information about such basic things?

FYI: This thread has nothing to do with the NT, in case you hadn't noticed.

Now that your done ranting for the 50th time about my lack of expertise, do you care to contribute anything of substance to the thread? Or is your mission accomplished?

Jeffrey Gibson

Possibly because what you claimed was not stated to be an assumption, but a fact.

So in the light of your reading either the text I provided or some other text as saying that the Church of the Holy Sepulchre that Helena established was at Nazareth, my claim that you don't read texts very carefully is only my personal opinion?

Hmmm. Nothing of substance. In the light of my message to Toto, it's now even more clear than it was with your HS curch at Nazareth claim that you don't read texts very carefully.

Jeffrey

spamandham

I didn't read your post to Toto beyond the point I quoted. Mostly I ignore your posts. They are usually just endless rants and sniping, such as now.

semiopen

I believe the Nazareth in Israel definitely existed when the Band (Songwriters: Robertson, Robbie) wrote The Weight.

I know an Israeli who graduated from High School there.

However, I'm not sure if the song refers to Nazareth, Israel or maybe the one in Pennsylvania.

Barefoot Bree

So what IS the history of the founding of the modern-day Nazareth that lay in the house that Jack built?

Toto

The Empress Helena [notice how Jeffrey slid so quietly over his questioning that she in fact had the title 'Augusta' to accuse some others of lack of expertise, but I digress..., where was I], ok Helena had the Church of the Annunciation [not the Holy Sepulchre, sorry] built at Nazareth.

How did she know the location was Nazareth? That's the question. Presumably she asked the locals, but we know how unreliable that sort of information can be. It's not unreasonable to assume that she made an arbitrary or incorrect choice, but how would we know for sure? She has left no writings, and Eusebius did not record that detail. Christians are happy to fill in the blanks with probabilities and possibilities on much slimmer evidence.

From here, it appears that Franciscan archaeologists have discovered remains of a more primitive church under the Church of the Annunciation, but it might have been a synagogue or another public building.

That website gathers together the best evidence for the existence of Nazareth, but has no answer for the question of how the inhabitants could have tried to throw Jesus off a cliff that was 2.5 miles away from the synagogue - a bit far for a mob to think about carrying a man to throw him down a cliff.

spamandham

Being part of the 'others', I'll just note that Jeffrey is right that I have no expertise on this subject - I've freely admitted that on numerous occasions to him, yet he rather bizarrely continues to accuse me of claiming expertise I don't have....presumably because I don't end every sentence with a question mark.

Thanks Toto for the summary. I guess I'm still left wondering if there's anything more than this. Is there continuity (not assumed continuity, but the real deal) between the Nazareth mentioned in the Gospels and modern Nazareth? If not, why do we think they are the same place?