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Old 12-23-2009, 08:32 AM   #1
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August 20, 2009, 01:12 PM #6066274 / #1

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HJ and the Temple Tax

I posted a new blog entry on something I read recently and thought would put it up for hashing. Maybe it has been discussed before.

Matthew 17:24--27

24After Jesus and his disciples arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax came to Peter and asked, "Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax?" 25"Yes, he does," he replied. When Peter came into the house, Jesus was the first to speak. "What do you think, Simon?" he asked. "From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes—from their own sons or from others?" 26"From others," Peter answered. "Then the sons are exempt," Jesus said to him. 27"But so that we may not offend them, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours."

For those who think Christianity started with a mystical Christ and date the historical material conerning Jesus late, why do we have this saying coming from the second century which probably indicates a pre-70 milieu? Since the temple was destroyed in 70 C.E. why is temple tax a concern of Matthew ca 100-150 when mythicists thinks he writes? I can see the tradition still being extant in the 80's as a potential historical saying but why ca. 120 is this being created? It reflects the concerns of an earlier era.

J Robinson writes: "This certainly does not argue a situation of open breach, but rather a concern not to provoke one. In any case, it clearly points to a pre-70 milieu. For after that date this tax had to be paid to the temple treasury of Jupiter Capitolinus in Rome and would have no bearing on the Jewish question Jesus is represented as settling." (RNT, pg 104)

This passage is different than the rend unto caesar passages and any attempt to read into this a need to pay Roman taxes is probably projecting. What you you think?

Vinine
It is written, in the book of Matthew, in the Bible, that the Pharisees conspired to trap Jesus in his words. In the King James version of the Bible, authorized by King James I of England in 1611, it is declared that the Pharisees had asked Jesus:

Tell us therefore, what thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? -- Matthew 22:17 --

Tribute, as described in the Oxford-English Dictionary, is:

A tax or impost paid by one prince or state to another in acknowledgement of submission or as the price of peace, security, and protection; rent or homage paid in money or an equivalent by a subject to his sovereign or a vassal to his lord.

Isaac Asimov, in his book Asimov's Guide to the Bible (or via: amazon.co.uk), wrote of the incident:

It grew increasingly clear to the Temple authorities that Jesus' claims would not easily be quashed. Galelean backwoodsman or not, he had a quick wit and a fund of ready quotations. Yet he had to be stopped just the same before Messianic fervor produced dangerous unrest all across the city. If Jesus' doctrinal views could not be used against him, what about his political views? If Jesus could be forced to say something politically subversive, instead of merely doctrinally heretical, the Romans could be called in. Roman soldiers could act at once without having to stop to exchange Old Testament quotations. ...It seemed certain to those now questioning Jesus that anyone claiming to be the Messiah would have to hold out hopes for the overthrow of the Roman Empire and for the establishment of the ideal Jewish state. It was exactly this that the populace expected of a Messiah. A question that was bound, it seemed, to force Jesus either to advocate rebellion or to give up all Messianic pretenses was now fired at him.

The question was, as stated, whether or not it was lawful to pay tribute to Caesar. Mr. Asimov explained:

"Caesar", of course, was the title given to the Roman Emperor. It harked back to Julius Caesar, who had been assassinated in 44 B.C., but whose grandnephew became Rome's first Emperor, fifteen years later.

Mr. Asimov went on to explain:

The coins used in paying tribute had the figure of Caesar on them. That made those coins unfit to be handled by Jews anyway, strictly speaking. The first of the Ten Commandments forbade the making of any representations of any living thing and Jewish monarchs, such as the various Herods, were usually careful to avoid stirring up the orthodox by putting their own portraits upon their coins. The idolatrous coin, which it was sinful for Jews to handle, might just as well be given to the man whose portrait was there.

Jesus asked for a coin in which the tribute was paid, and was handed a silver coin. He asked whose head appeared upon the coin, and whose inscription. They answered "Caesar's". He then told them, as noted in the King James version of the Bible:

Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's... -- Matthew 22:21 --
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