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spin · 01-17-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Malachi151

Looks like a whole lot of speculation to me. I don't see that it confirms anything, other than that the name "Temech" was a real name.

Hey, don't knock it: it's better than nothing. You can't fault the archaeologist from attempting to make a silk purse from a sow's ear, can you?

spin

Minimalist · 01-17-2008, 09:50 PM

If anyone would like to read the whole report, here is a link.

I warn you.....it is a cure for insomnia.

http://www.tau.ac.il/humanities/arch...King_David.pdf

spamandham · 01-17-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Biff the unclean

I wonder why the illustration of the priests looks so much more worn that the word "Temech" does?
And the Dung Gate doesn't sound like that great a neighborhood.

Good catch! Based on just the picture, I agree.

Waning Moon Conrad · 01-17-2008, 11:19 PM

This Dr Mazar claims that the hebrew word temech is inscribed under the bearded priests and altar.

What's there looks nothing like Hebrew calligraphy at all. It looks more like a bunch of carrots to me.

Does anyone know what Hebrew calligraphy at the time of the first temple looked like?

PaulK · 01-17-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Malachi151

Looks like a whole lot of speculation to me. I don't see that it confirms anything, other than that the name "Temech" was a real name.

It doesn't even confirm that (although it didn't need confirming).

Appaently the "Temech" reading assumes that the writing is not reversed as is normal for seals (to get the impression made by the seal to come out right). Unfortunately for those promoting the "Temech" reading, it looks very much as if the script was reversed, as is normal,

http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/?p=896

Malachi151 · 01-18-2008, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulK

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Originally Posted by Malachi151

Looks like a whole lot of speculation to me. I don't see that it confirms anything, other than that the name "Temech" was a real name.

It doesn't even confirm that (although it didn't need confirming).

Appaently the "Temech" reading assumes that the writing is not reversed as is normal for seals (to get the impression made by the seal to come out right). Unfortunately for those promoting the "Temech" reading, it looks very much as if the script was reversed, as is normal,

http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/?p=896

Figures...

reniaa · 01-18-2008, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pob14

So, because a seal - one apparently showing people praying to the Babylonian god Sin - is found with a name that happens to appear in the bible, this is carbonation - corruscation - uh, corroboration of . . . . well, what, exactly?

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The fact that this cultic scene relates to the Babylonian chief god seemed not to have disturbed the Jews who used it on their own seal, she added.

Edit: Figuer beat me to it.

To be honest pagan symbol usage are quite in keeping with biblical history, from the Exodus we know that egyptian symbols/idols where taken along and used after it by the people who fled with moses and if you read the story of King Solomon who built the jerusalem temple, the bible is quite clear that he got seduced away from God into pagan worship by wives from other nations towards the end of his reign. The bible never hides the fact that the israelites then the jews get effected quite easily by the worship of nations around them. It often calls them a hard-hearted people.

The corroboration is important because skeptics often say "Oh the big people are mentioned etc because the writers know about them so weave a story around them" but this is again an average family doing their daily life the names mentioned correctly in the bible and now archaeological evidence backing it up. Pointing to the writer having intimate knowledge of place time and people. /sigh! there's none so blind as those that refuse to see!

QuestionMark · 01-18-2008, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by reniaa

Quote:

Originally Posted by pob14

So, because a seal - one apparently showing people praying to the Babylonian god Sin - is found with a name that happens to appear in the bible, this is carbonation - corruscation - uh, corroboration of . . . . well, what, exactly?

Edit: Figuer beat me to it.

To be honest pagan symbol usage are quite in keeping with biblical history, from the Exodus we know that egyptian symbols/idols where taken along and used after it by the people who fled with moses and if you read the story of King Solomon who built the jerusalem temple, the bible is quite clear that he got seduced away from God into pagan worship by wives from other nations towards the end of his reign. The bible never hides the fact that the israelites then the jews get effected quite easily by the worship of nations around them. It often calls them a hard-hearted people.

The corroboration is important because skeptics often say "Oh the big people are mentioned etc because the writers know about them so weave a story around them" but this is again an average family doing their daily life the names mentioned correctly in the bible and now archaeological evidence backing it up. Pointing to the writer having intimate knowledge of place time and people. /sigh! there's none so blind as those that refuse to see!

The Jews can use any symbol of God that they choose.

After all, the Jews invented God and the Christians took it too seriously!

QM?

Lógos Sokratikós · 01-18-2008, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by reniaa

Quote:

Originally Posted by pob14

So, because a seal - one apparently showing people praying to the Babylonian god Sin - is found with a name that happens to appear in the bible, this is carbonation - corruscation - uh, corroboration of . . . . well, what, exactly?

Edit: Figuer beat me to it.

To be honest pagan symbol usage are quite in keeping with biblical history, from the Exodus we know that egyptian symbols/idols where taken along and used after it by the people who fled with moses and if you read the story of King Solomon who built the jerusalem temple, the bible is quite clear that he got seduced away from God into pagan worship by wives from other nations towards the end of his reign. The bible never hides the fact that the israelites then the jews get effected quite easily by the worship of nations around them. It often calls them a hard-hearted people.

The corroboration is important because skeptics often say "Oh the big people are mentioned etc because the writers know about them so weave a story around them" but this is again an average family doing their daily life the names mentioned correctly in the bible and now archaeological evidence backing it up. Pointing to the writer having intimate knowledge of place time and people. /sigh! there's none so blind as those that refuse to see!

You're right. Should we now convert to Judaism? I think so. The Tanakh is trustworthy and we all know why the Jews do not accept Jesus. These skeptics just can't accept the truth from scripture!

WVIncagold · 01-18-2008, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by reniaa

Quote:

Originally Posted by pob14

So, because a seal - one apparently showing people praying to the Babylonian god Sin - is found with a name that happens to appear in the bible, this is carbonation - corruscation - uh, corroboration of . . . . well, what, exactly?

Edit: Figuer beat me to it.

To be honest pagan symbol usage are quite in keeping with biblical history, from the Exodus we know that egyptian symbols/idols where taken along and used after it by the people who fled with moses and if you read the story of King Solomon who built the jerusalem temple, the bible is quite clear that he got seduced away from God into pagan worship by wives from other nations towards the end of his reign. The bible never hides the fact that the israelites then the jews get effected quite easily by the worship of nations around them. It often calls them a hard-hearted people.

The corroboration is important because skeptics often say "Oh the big people are mentioned etc because the writers know about them so weave a story around them" but this is again an average family doing their daily life the names mentioned correctly in the bible and now archaeological evidence backing it up. Pointing to the writer having intimate knowledge of place time and people. /sigh! there's none so blind as those that refuse to see!

So no one else ever held the name except the one contained in the OT? it isn't ever used for anything else so it HAS to be the one in the scriptures? Actually there are none so blind as those who jump to unsupported conclusions. all this "proves" is that the name may of been used and existed in the ancient world.

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01-17-2008, 09:50 PM	#32
Minimalist Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,808	If anyone would like to read the whole report, here is a link. I warn you.....it is a cure for insomnia. http://www.tau.ac.il/humanities/arch...King_David.pdf

01-17-2008, 11:19 PM	#34
Waning Moon Conrad Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Victoria. Australia Posts: 1,417	This Dr Mazar claims that the hebrew word temech is inscribed under the bearded priests and altar. What's there looks nothing like Hebrew calligraphy at all. It looks more like a bunch of carrots to me. Does anyone know what Hebrew calligraphy at the time of the first temple looked like?

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