Chili

I voted no and never as human since Jesus was without sin and humans are sinners.

Jesus was a name given to the child after Christ was born unto Joseph and Mary to say that Jesus was not the Christ child and never born as such.

Chili

And in that philosophy Jesus was the glory of that reality or he would 'be' while he was 'not' or Christ could not be. It can be said that Jesus was the increase of Logos that is added to the existing Logos wherefore he was not but only appeared as if he was (just happy to get nailed in the end so he could be raised).


Here is a better one: Jesus was the greatness of Magdalene as the son of Mary who's being was (proclaims) the greatness of the Lord who then is the manifestation of God on earth.

Chili

Now there is a good point but the question is if Jesus existed in the classic sense of the word 'exist' wherein existence of being is required to be. Along this thinking is the name Jesus given to a transformation stage to identify that passage in time of the actual being on which Judaism makes its effect known. So therefore no, Jesus was not.

Chili

I really do not know where this historical Jesus ever came from because
Catholicism shows that he does not existed in presenting Jesus without sin and thus not human in the same way as Mary is without sin and not human but perfect as woman without the human condition. Now you might say that the Catholic church is wrong about this but this discussion here is evidence that the Truth is pointing in that direction.

Oh, right and it doesn't matter if millions of books were written on the contrary here or if 100,000 new religions try to crack the secret because it just does not work that way. After all, a horse that is running in the wrong direction can never win the race.

Chili

You would not even recognize him. Peter did and that qualified him as first Pope while the Jews had him crucified evan as one of their own.

Chili

You mean there is no divine Jesus and let me add here that they crucified him for good reason: "We have our own law and by that law he must die," Jn.19:7.

It was not until Jesus was raised that he became known as Jesus Christ and was either Jesus or Christ but not both in the Gospels.

mens_sana

Ummm, Chili, I think that schilling.klaus recognizes only a mythical Christ. Hence, no Jesus.

one allegiance

I'm sorry...but what are you saying right here?
...and here?

Solitary Man

Chili has posted before that all his posts here are for his own edification, not for any meaningful engagement. Good luck if you actually wish to pursue...

spin

This is a simple syllogism.

Jesus is without sin.
No human is without sin.
Therefore, Jesus isn't human.

So, obviously, to the question "Was Jesus ever an actual human being?" Chili voted no.

Read it in the context of another recent Chiliism:

It was not until Jesus was raised that he became known as Jesus Christ and was either Jesus or Christ but not both in the Gospels.

Chili apparently sees Jesus and Christ as separate entities until the resurrection. What they were he doesn't say. (And it's probably better not to ask.)


spin