Hallandale

Which is the Day?
Did you ever notice that in the Gospel according to Luke, the last supper and Jesus' crucifiction take place on Passover?
Luke 22:15
15And He said to them, "I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;

But in the Gospel according to John, Jesus is crucified on the day before Passover.
John 19:14
14Now it was the day of preparation for the Passover; it was about the sixth hour And he said to the Jews, "Behold, your King!"

Wouldn't you expect that the Gospel writers would agree on the day that important events took place?

Nick Hallandale
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Ben C Smith

No, I for one would not. Suppose for a moment that John is correct, and Jesus and his disciples ate a solemn last meal one day before Passover. A solemn meal during Passover season could easily be confused later for the Passover meal itself.

I am not saying that it had to play out that way, but rather that our expectation of how accurately living memory would remember the exact date of a special meal should not be very high.

Ben.

gregor

No, I wouldn't expect consistency.

I tend to accept Crossan's explanation - errancy and historical accuracy are 18th Century and later inventions.

punk77

I was brought up to believe that the Bible was dictated to man by God so therefore it should have no contradictions. We are not talking about fallable human memories here. Therefore if the Bible contains what Hallandale says it does (and nobody has denied it) either God's memory was slipping (he was having a 'senior moment') or you have to ask what else he got wrong. But to say that it is the word of God and still say it is ok for there to be mistakes in it is a contradiction in terms to me.

If
'errancy and historical accuracy are 18th Century and later inventions'

then you cannot deny that anything else could not be made up by the gospel writers/scribes as they saw fit.

Daisy

And who here has denied that?

Do you know where you are, what this place is?

sorompio

Apparently, intellectual integrity too.

Tigers!

In my family due the various ones of us being spread around Australia, some years some of us have a Christmas meal some days before Christmas. Sounds very similar to what you are describing. Are we wrong to do so?
Also if you open your Bible, turn to Exodus 12:1-11 you will note that the Israelites ate the Passover meal before the Angel of Death came (Ex 12:29). The Israelites had to be ready to move quickly not spend time eating.
Maybe you making a mountain out of a mole hill?

punk77

I appologise:redface:. I should have made it clearer that I was addressing the arguement and not the poster.

punk77

I do not see what the relevance of the Israelites eating the original 'Passover' meal and being ready to move quickly has to do with them celebrating it in Jesus's time.

In Jesus's time there was a set day(15th day of Nissan), a set meal (the Sedar),a set way of doing things ( Kaddesh, Urechatz, Karpas, Yachatz, Maggid, Rachtzah, Motzi, Matzah, Maror, Korech, Shulchan Orech, Tzafun, Barech, Hallel, Nirtzah). Also all the house had to be ceremoniously cleaned which could take a couple of days to do properly (removal of chametz) so the Passover meal was not something that could be partaken on a whim. Would Jesus have ignored all the above?

I do not see what the relevance of some of your family having a Christmas meal some days before Christmas has to do with the above. There are no commands about when/how you have a Christmas dinner as there are in regards to the Passover meal.

(If I have got any of the above Jewish customs wrong please correct me).

Magdlyn

Why does this thread have such a strange irrelevant title? This is a board for skeptics and atheists, and a forum for Biblical criticism, not holiday greetings and celebration.

Yet I will address the subject. The author of the 4th gospel had his own agenda and contradicts the synoptic gospels at every turn, the day of the "Last Supper" being no exception.