Chili

There is a good reason for the OT to not to identify the morning star with satan because until the kingdom Isreal is restored the light of common day must be their guide and they will never know the difference until Israel is restored. The message here is that the light of common day itself is an illusion and if the morning star heralds the the rising sun to be the light-bearer for humans it is pointing at the wrong source of light (ie. the light of common day is an illusion in the same way as sound is an illusion in that we must first be alive to see or hear).

St. Jerome could put this all together because Jesus was both "the root and offspring of David and the morning star (or simply "alpha and omega" with Alpha being source of light and Omega the life that lights up our common day after it has been raised into heaven.

A simpler way to explain this is to go to Rev. 22:5 where "the night shall be no more," to make the morning star (Lucifer) redundant as a 'good news' messenger.

Chili

It is a nice name but only brings us a small light each time we light it and it doesn't last very long either. That was the problem for the children of Isreal and is the problem for modern day Christians alike.

Casper

Huh? We light the star?

Chili

Oops, the morning star as one who points at the light of common day for knowledge is a metaphor for satan who also points at the light of common day for knowledge and is called Lucifer because of the small amount of light we recieve each morning when we open our eys towards this light. This would be as compared to our full view of the celestial light in heaven that we left behind ever since we became sons of the dawn who follow the light of common day.

Chris Weimer

um, Chili, did you actually read the post? Or the OT for that matter?

Chili

Yes I did.

Chili

Yes and we, each one of us as in "you," is that Babylonian King and we will never know that the light of common day was the cause of our delusion "until the day the Lord relieves you of sorrow and unrest and the hard service in which you have been enslaved. You will take up this taunt-song against the king of Babylon:" (verse 3-4).

The king of Babylon was not a historic king but the very king we all are, even if that only requires us to be in charge of our own destiny as rational beings (sons of the dawn). In this sense the taunt song becomes a song of victory on the day the Lord receives you (impersonal).

"This will be the day the oppressor has reached his end! and the turmoil [in our own mind] will be stilled." The oppressor is our ego and that is the king who must be tumbled from his throne.

As you can see, I just put a personal spin on the passage but it helps if I read it first.

Chili

But you don't have to be evil to be in charge of your own destiny . . . and there is nothing wrong with the light of common day but there is something wrong if you think that Bush should declare war on the planet.

show_no_mercy

Yes he was. Your entire argument fails.

Chili

So was Christ . . . but he was more than that or he would be just history today.