ohmi

I am simply stating my current point of view... I have no creed, no religion, no fixed beliefs , nothing to 'preach', much to discuss ...

Bullmoose Too

Simple: Ethnocentrism.

joemailman

The title of this thread should have been....Why do human beings continue to beat dead horses?

The jesus story is a myth or is that not obvious?

Lógos Sokratikós

According to a small faction supporting the Jesus Myth. Most historians recognize some (varying) levels of historicity.

And no, in my experience I've found nearly anything at all is obvious, and most things require a considerable degree of working out.

joemailman

I know of no historian that gives any credibility to the jesus story except maybe those who use the bible as their only source. Do you know of any?...or of a credible source of info regarding the story?

Kelly

"The House of Israel" does not necessarily mean "Jewish." All twelve tribes of the nation of Israel were considered "Hebrews" and "Semites," but "Semite" was a word that basically included just about all people of Arabic descent, and the word originally included the Arabic people who are Islamic today. The Islamic people consider themselves the descendants of Ishmael rather than Jacob, but theoretically they are as "Semitic" as the Jews and Hebrew races are. It's only been in the last couple of hundred years that Semitic people are primarily referred to as Jewish, and that concept is not necessarily correct.

In the nation of Israel, only two of the twelve tribes, that of Judah and Benjamin, were considered "Jewish" while the other ten tribes were "Hebrews" (also called "gentiles" in the Bible) who were not necessarily into the worship of the Jewish God. Many members of the Hebrew nation worshipped the Baal-El pantheon, and there is evidence that a good many others subscribed to Egyptian religious beliefs as well.

The Islamic nations today carry the flag consisting of the crescent moon and five-sided star. Though Islam is not really all that old of a religion, their symbol of the crescent moon and star is absolutely ancient. This same symbolism was used in antiquity by the worshippers of Nanner Sin (sometimes also spelled "Suen") who was the eldest son of the Sumerian god, Enlil (Ellil in the Babylonian tongue and El to the Canaanites). The worship of Sin was very widespread throughout Sumer and the city of Ur; where Abraham originally lived, was primarily didicated to the worship of the god Sin. The Hittite nation also worshipped Nanner Sin, and the Sinai Peninsula is still identified with this ancient god.

It's really a mistake to assume that "the House of Israel" necessarily means Jewish or people into the worship of the Jewish god. The people of Israel actually worshipped several different gods besides Yahweh, including the worship of the Baal-El-Ashtoreth pantheon, the Egyptian pantheon, Nanner Sin, Ishtar-Inanna and several other deities.

The priesthoods of all of these different systems were adamant that they represented "the one God", but under the one god concept of Egyptian Atenism, all these different gods were thought to represent different aspects of the "one god" Aten. The concepts behind Atenism seem to be very similar to the concepts behind Hinduism, where all the many Hindu gods and goddesses are seen as aspects of Brahma. Atenism is defined as the belief in "one god" (i.e. monotheism) and Atenism is probably where the monotheistic concepts of the Middle East first originated. Certainly the Middle East has a very long history of worshipping many different gods. Atenism, however, is not "monotheism" in the way most people traditionally think of it today. Atenism might be more accurately defined as "henotheism."

Wikipedia tells us that "Henotheism (Greek εἷς θεός heis theos "one god") is a term coined by Max Müller, to mean devotion to a single primary god while accepting the existence or possible existence of other deities. Müller stated that henotheism means "monotheism in principle and polytheism in fact."

This is probably the reason why Yahweh of the Old Testament appears to possess so many conflicting personality traits. Like Atenism, the "one god" concepts behind Israel's national god, Yahweh, seem to be based upon henotheistic principals. Even the name "Israel" suggests henotheism. "Is-Ra-El." Ra and El were essentially each the leading gods of Anunnaki polytheism.

Lógos Sokratikós

Geometrically a pentagram is a 10 sided, 10 angled star. It just has 5 points.

Kelly

Yup. And an upside down pentagram represents the occult symbol of the Goat of Mendes.

http://www.postpositive.org/?page_id=103

ohmi

Hi Kelly,

None of the House of Israel are or ever were Jewish , they never accepted Judaism ... and lived with a separate House [line] of kings in Northern Israel before God scattered them worldwide amongst all gentile nations and even before Jesus came their name was lost [wholly unlike the Jews]

Deuteronomy 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

Most Semitic peoples are indeed not Jewish, but some do belong to the lost House of Israel , despite now living as gentioles amongst gentile nations [which is where Jesus sent his disciples to find them , with the gospel of their new covenant , unconditional forgiveness of both Jews and the House of Israel -Heb 8:8-12] :-

Acts 7:42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

Zechariah 8:13 And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.

Matthew 10:5 ¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The House of Judah [southern kingdom in Israel] alos included half the tribe of Levi [as priests under the old covenant] and small numbers from all the other tribes excepting only Ephraim ... no modern Jew is descended from Ephraim , none of Ephraim ever accepted Judaism.

There are fourteen tribes of Israel named in the scripture [named after Jacob's twelve own sons and his two first grandsons by Joseph, whom he adopted as full sons and who thus became full tribes , Ephraim and Mannaseh.
Joseph had other offspring ,but lived in the borders of the land assigned to Manasseh, not ever becoming a large enough tribe to get a separate partition of land like Manasseh and Ephraim did.

The House of Judah alone continued to worship God, no matter how badly , all the House of Israel worship pagan gods :-

Deuteronomy 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

Islam is very anxious to ditch the three daughters of their god, but remnants of the past still haunt them in hard facts .

Since the House of Israel lost its land before captivity in Babylon , they were scattered worldwide seeking nations that would take them in afte their release... they simply adopted the pagan gods wherever they were accepted amongst all nations , thus the list of pagan gods worshipped by them is much longer than this ... what they never accepted is Judaism , and the Jews never accepted them either ... the religious disagreement still exists today, to the extent that Jews simply will not discuss Ephraim and the House of Israel [because the House fo Israel are ALL descended from Jacob and so may carry the birthright promise just as likely as any Jew]

Lógos Sokratikós

Are you proposing it's more than a coincidence?