Jeffrey Gibson

Well this explains why Pete didn't answer my question. He's not read Grant. So he has no idea where in Grant's Rise of the Greeks the quote "appears", let alone whether it actually does appear there.

So once again Pete demonstrates not only that he hardly ever consults anything other than what he finds on the internet, but that he has no ability or willingness to determine whether the sources he quotes (or in this instance plagiarizes) are any good, is exceptionally gullible and credulous, is unable to produce, let alone read, primary evidence, and will regard the most transparently crank sources as good so long as they say what he wants to hear and "confirm" his prejudices.

Whew! Sounds like he's a graduate of the Steve Avery school of research.

Jeffrey

mountainman

So why dont you write a snotty little email to Robert Bruce Baird? Would you like his email address? Look it up yourself. Go and keep yourself busy for an afternoon of glee with your preoccupations. Copy yourself, and read it over again for the next few days. Share it with "friends".

The chronology of the new testament literature as an entire package requires an explanation of the events in the field of ancient history over the first five centuries or so. I have provided a small fragment of the archaeological citations about the healing god Asclepius for the period of these centuries. Galen, Eusebius, Emperor Julian, and many others all mention the cult which would have seen, and interacted with any emergent new "cult of christians" yet you dont want to talk about the appropriate chronology. Philo goes on for ever about the ascetics and the therapeutae, right at the time period 10-20 CE, but you are not get the angle of attack right on this ascetic thing, or most things.

Please stay with the chronology Jeffrey. You know I dont stray from the New testament Bullshit, so if you want to attack me thoroughly, and cease all this beating around the bush business, confine criticism to the perod CE. Why dont you find fault with the notions:

1) Constantine invented christianity in the 4th century
2) Arius of Alexandria was an asecetic pagan priest
3) The NON CANONIC is Pagan Polemic after Nicaea.
4) Pachomius was "made christian" by Jerome.
5) St. Anthony (The Christian Hermit) was Athansius' "Best Seller".
etc


Best wishes,



Pete Brown

spamandham

I'm not aware of any. I never made any such claim.

spin

Who do you think would have performed the actual sacrifice?


spin

mountainman

Because I expect evidence in addition to conjecture.

The footprints of the Manichaeans survived great persecution and we know that they only became famous due to the political execution of Mani and his followers in the Iranian capital 272 CE and then in the empire 292 CE under Diocletian. The footsteps of these Manichaeans lead back before the council of Nicaea, though persecution and burnings.

On the other hand, the Eusebian assertions of christian persecution is examined here as just another fictional ploy by Constantine to play with people's minds in the fourth century. We do not have one skerrick of evidence for the existence of pre-Constantinian christianity outside of Eusebius and the certificates of paleographers, and certainly no (external to Eusebius) evidence for "past-persecution".

You'll have to do better. The easiest explanation is that there were no followers of Jesus the Galilaean until the fourth century, since this explanation is already consistent with the evidence.

Best wishes,


Pete Brown

Jeffrey Gibson

In other words, you have not read Grant, though you pose as if you did, and, contrary to what you implied in your plagiarized quote of Baird, you have no idea not only where but whether Grant says what you claim he said.

Thanks for confirming this.

Jeffrey

Jeffrey Gibson

Crito.

Jeffrey

Jeffrey Gibson

You implied it when you spoke of how Socrates' words implied the existence of a cult.

So (paraphrasing you) now that I've cleared that up, will you please answer my question?

Jeffrey

Jeffrey Gibson

And these foot prints are what, specifically. How old are they exactly? And where specifically are they to be found?

Jeffrey

spamandham

I already answered it. The answer was "I'm not aware of any".

I have to say though, unless "sacrifice a cock to Asclepius" was a figure of speech, I can't imagine why Socrates would make such a request in the absence of such a cult. Maybe I just don't have a very good imagination.