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Mat · 04-28-2010, 03:05 PM

So what does everyone think yet another discovery has been found on Mt Arafat as the article claims

Explorers claim Noah's Ark found on Mount Ararat

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A group of evangelical researchers claim they have found the remains of Noah's Ark thousands of feet up Mount Ararat, its biblical resting place, in Turkey. Skip related content
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The exact location of the find has not been disclosed, but carbon dating conducted on wood and stone from the site has revealed their age as 4,800 years old, according to the scientists.

Further tests will be conducted on the items but one researcher claimed they were "99.9 per cent sure" the remains were that of the original Ark.

According to the Old Testament story, God commanded Noah to build the Ark to save his family and the world's animals from a global flood - sent to rid the earth of mankind's corrupt behaviour.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20100428/...n-41f21e0.html

badger3k · 04-28-2010, 04:35 PM

Same old, same old... How can they have found it, when Ron Wyatt did that years ago. Although, I think this one also has unicorns, so that makes it more real

As many bloggers have noted, it's amazing how these creationists absolutely cannot trust carbon dating, until they find one that supposedly supports their beliefs.

I also think that if the age is good, then they might have found an archaeological site, and this superstition may damage actual discoveries, if (and it's a big if) Turkey allows anything up there. I can see Ken Ham (or Harun the Yahoo) building a Noah's Ark theme park (http://www.noahsarkwaterpark.com/ - for the Wisconsin Dells park, haven't been there in over 30 years, though, and it's actually fun).

mopc · 04-28-2010, 06:03 PM

Yet they found something, if you look at the pics and videos they found something quite impressive up there. What could it be?

John Kesler · 04-28-2010, 06:15 PM

Other threads at FRDB already discussing this:

http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=286230

http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=286211

spamandham · 04-28-2010, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mat

So what does everyone think yet another discovery has been found on Mt Arafat as the article claims

This mount Arafat?

...or this one

...either way, same old crap. All anyone has found on Ararat are some rocks and gift shops selling Ark trinkets.

Doug Shaver · 04-29-2010, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mat

. . . but carbon dating conducted on wood and stone from the site . . . .

To hell with the ark. I want to know how they carbon-dated those stones.

Toto · 05-02-2010, 07:00 PM

Scholarly Squad Debunks Biblical 'Discoveries'

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In the past, biblical scholars and archaeologists rolled their eyes when claims of a blockbuster find emerged, preferring to keep quiet rather than dignify them with a response. But scholars now worry that their silence has allowed such claims to breed, damaging the whole field's credibility.

"We said, 'We have got to find a way to respond to these amateurs,' " Cargill says. "We can have a coordinated response on behalf of the academy and say, 'No that's not true, and here's why.' And we do it in the public media and not some obscure journal that nobody reads."

Now, whenever a suspect archaeological discovery hits the headlines, the committee and its associated scholars churn into action -- reaching out to journalists, writing blog posts, sending out Twitter and Facebook alerts, and dispatching op-eds to newspapers and magazines.

MortalWombat · 05-03-2010, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug Shaver

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mat

. . . but carbon dating conducted on wood and stone from the site . . . .

To hell with the ark. I want to know how they carbon-dated those stones.

It's also funny how biblical literalists only like carbon dating when it can be used to support their beliefs, but not so much when it contradicts them.

Roger Pearse · 05-03-2010, 09:20 AM

Aren't the creationists the *victims* of this story, rather than its perpetrators? Wasn't this a scam set up by some Kurds?

darstec · 05-03-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

Aren't the creationists the *victims* of this story, rather than its perpetrators? Wasn't this a scam set up by some Kurds?

You well know those were Creationists, as you are, that set up the scam and others of them that carried the football to the media.

04-28-2010, 03:05 PM	#1
Mat Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Uk, London Posts: 16	Noah's Ark Found So what does everyone think yet another discovery has been found on Mt Arafat as the article claims Explorers claim Noah's Ark found on Mount Ararat 5 hours 27 mins ago A group of evangelical researchers claim they have found the remains of Noah's Ark thousands of feet up Mount Ararat, its biblical resting place, in Turkey. Skip related content Related photos / videos Explorers claim Noah's Ark found on Mount Ararat Play video Explorers claim Noah's Ark found on Mount Ararat Play video Explorers claim Noah's Ark found on Mount Ararat Related content Iran leader plans to join UN nuclear talks Ahmadinejad has filed US visa application: US envoy Ahmadinejad granted U.S. visa for nuclear meeting Related Hot Topic: Iran Have your say: Iran The exact location of the find has not been disclosed, but carbon dating conducted on wood and stone from the site has revealed their age as 4,800 years old, according to the scientists. Further tests will be conducted on the items but one researcher claimed they were "99.9 per cent sure" the remains were that of the original Ark. According to the Old Testament story, God commanded Noah to build the Ark to save his family and the world's animals from a global flood - sent to rid the earth of mankind's corrupt behaviour. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20100428/...n-41f21e0.html

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04-28-2010, 04:35 PM	#2
badger3k Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 1,388	Same old, same old... How can they have found it, when Ron Wyatt did that years ago. Although, I think this one also has unicorns, so that makes it more real As many bloggers have noted, it's amazing how these creationists absolutely cannot trust carbon dating, until they find one that supposedly supports their beliefs. I also think that if the age is good, then they might have found an archaeological site, and this superstition may damage actual discoveries, if (and it's a big if) Turkey allows anything up there. I can see Ken Ham (or Harun the Yahoo) building a Noah's Ark theme park (http://www.noahsarkwaterpark.com/ - for the Wisconsin Dells park, haven't been there in over 30 years, though, and it's actually fun).

04-28-2010, 06:03 PM	#3
mopc Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: São Paulo, Brazil Posts: 1,504	Yet they found something, if you look at the pics and videos they found something quite impressive up there. What could it be?

04-28-2010, 06:15 PM	#4
John Kesler Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 1,037	Other threads at FRDB already discussing this: http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=286230 http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=286211

05-03-2010, 09:20 AM	#9
Roger Pearse Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: N/A Posts: 4,370	Aren't the creationists the victims of this story, rather than its perpetrators? Wasn't this a scam set up by some Kurds?

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