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Toto · 07-07-2009, 07:51 PM

Did I miss something? Jesus came for sinners, but where does it say that Jesus came for the nonbelievers?

Are you trying to say that nonbelief is a sin?

Deus Ex · 07-07-2009, 07:57 PM

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The point still stands on its own feet:

Paul was converted in 33 AD. Just WHERE did he hear about Jesus if the Gospels were still 60+ years away from being written?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Maybe Paul is the founder of Christianity?

Tristan Scott · 07-07-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Self-Mutation

The point still stands on its own feet:

Paul was converted in 33 AD. Just WHERE did he hear about Jesus if the Gospels were still 60+ years away from being written?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!

Paul didn't read about Jesus in the bible, he saw him on the road to Damascus. Maybe you should read it before you start any more of these bullshit threads.

braces_for_impact · 07-07-2009, 09:37 PM

Matthew 15:22-28 (New International Version)

22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession."

23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us."

24He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

25The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said.

26He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

27"Yes, Lord," she said, "but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table."

28Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

Self-Mutation · 07-08-2009, 03:18 PM

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Matthew 15:22-28 (New International Version)

22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession."

23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us."

24He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

25The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said.

26He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

27"Yes, Lord," she said, "but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table."

28Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

Yes, Jesus healed.

Self-Mutation · 07-08-2009, 03:20 PM

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The point still stands on its own feet:

Paul was converted in 33 AD. Just WHERE did he hear about Jesus if the Gospels were still 60+ years away from being written?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!

Paul didn't read about Jesus in the bible, he saw him on the road to Damascus. Maybe you should read it before you start any more of these bullshit threads.

Exactly. So he got his revelations from Jesus personally.

There is no other logical explanation for the rise of Christianity other than the "Paul made up a lie and never met Jesus, but told people he did, and then believed it all his life, and died for it."

But, that takes even more faith to believe that than just reading it as truth.

i admire the great faith of the atheist sometimes.

Tristan Scott · 07-08-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Scott

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!

Paul didn't read about Jesus in the bible, he saw him on the road to Damascus. Maybe you should read it before you start any more of these bullshit threads.

Exactly. So he got his revelations from Jesus personally.

There is no other logical explanation for the rise of Christianity other than the "Paul made up a lie and never met Jesus, but told people he did, and then believed it all his life, and died for it."

But, that takes even more faith to believe that than just reading it as truth.

i admire the great faith of the atheist sometimes.

None of which explains how you, a supposed devout christian, would not know one of the most signidficant stories in the New Testament.:huh:

Self-Mutation · 07-08-2009, 03:40 PM

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Exactly. So he got his revelations from Jesus personally.

There is no other logical explanation for the rise of Christianity other than the "Paul made up a lie and never met Jesus, but told people he did, and then believed it all his life, and died for it."

But, that takes even more faith to believe that than just reading it as truth.

i admire the great faith of the atheist sometimes.

None of which explains how you, a supposed devout christian, would not know one of the most signidficant stories in the New Testament.:huh:

I do know the story. Paul got his Gospel from Jesus.

Nero's Boot · 07-08-2009, 04:05 PM

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Matthew 15:22-28 (New International Version)

22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession."

23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us."

24He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

25The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said.

26He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

27"Yes, Lord," she said, "but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table."

28Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

Yes, Jesus healed.

......but he did it right after he called non-Jews "dogs" and proclaimed he was only here for the tribes of Israel.

--that's not a glowing commendation for your god, hon NB

Self-Mutation · 07-08-2009, 04:11 PM

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Yes, Jesus healed.

......but he did it right after he called non-Jews "dogs" and proclaimed he was only here for the tribes of Israel.

--that's not a glowing commendation for your god, hon NB

He did not call them dogs.

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Did I miss something? Jesus came for sinners, but where does it say that Jesus came for the nonbelievers? Are you trying to say that nonbelief is a sin?

07-07-2009, 09:37 PM	#14
braces_for_impact Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a nondescript, black helicopter. Posts: 6,637	Matthew 15:22-28 (New International Version) 22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession." 23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us." 24He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." 25The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said. 26He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs." 27"Yes, Lord," she said, "but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table." 28Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

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