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Vardaman split from Nazareth and logical errors (split from Evidence for Jesus)
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Per M. Avi-Yonah, “About 70 m. southwards of D, in Area F, the second fragment was found; it was reused in the pavement of a Byzantine room; the other marble pieces used in this pavement included also the fragment of a synagogue chancel screen, showing an ethrog and a lulab.” M. Avi-Yonah states that Area F was in the charge of E. Oren. M. Avi-Yonah goes on to say, “Although at present the two fragments differ in color, and in spite of the fact that they were found at some distance from each other, it seems that both formed parts of one and the same inscription, and of the same marble tablet. It is, of course, possible that the text, which we shall discuss below, was divided among two separate slabs; but this possibility seems remote. That both fragments as found came from one original inscription folªlows from the equal size of the letters in the two fragments, the identity of their shapes and the equal distances between their lines. "The Caesarea inscription of priestly courses, which belongs, according to Prof. N. Avigad, to the third-fourth centuries A.D., is the earliest evidence so far discovered as to the existence of this list [of the priestly courses]." The source for these quotations is The Teacher's Yoke: Studies in Memory of Henry Trantham, (or via: amazon.co.uk) ed. By Vardaman and Garrett, Baylor University, 1964, , the articles "Introduction to the Caesarea Inscription of the Twenty-Four Priestly Courses" by E. Jerry Vardaman and "The Caesarea Inscription of the Twenty-Four Priestly Courses" by M. Avi-Yonah, pp. 43, 47, 48 & 51. |
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The Possibility of a Nazareth Tablet Forgery
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This is really great stuff. Thanks. For information about E. Jerry Vardaman, the discover of microwriting in ancient coins, one can go to http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...quirinius.html The question is: Did Vardaman suddenly snap in the 1980's and start creating pictures of coins with fake information written on them or was he involved in forgery since the beginning of his career in archaeology? Before Vardaman produced a new Chronology for Jesus based on nonexistent discoveries he made, and forged evidence to back it up, he was famous for his discovery of the only archaeological evidence for the existence of Nazareth in antiquity, which was inscribed on a piece of marble, he discovered in 1962. Now, notice in The Teacher's Yoke: Studies in Memory of Henry Trantham, that Vardaman admits that the artifact was not found in situ. It was found in a wheel barrow at the site of the dig, but not in the ground. This immediately should make it suspect. Somehow, the people who were actually digging missed it and even the person carrying off the baskets of dirt missed it. It was the man in charge of dumping the wheelbarrow that found it. Vardaman explains that the diggers were fatigued and had missed spotting some of the objects that was turning up in the work. But if they were fatigued, why not let them rest as soon as it was noticed that they were not doing their job properly? Vardaman says that it near the end of the season of excavation (August 14, 1962). Perhaps, he did not have time to let them rest. However, he says: Quote:
Of course, knowing how Vardaman would later produce shameless forgeries in support of his strange notions, one might suspect something else: With only a few days to go on the dig, Vardaman did not have time to find a way to bury his forged marble in the ground. Even if he did, the diggers might notice that the ground had been disturbed before they began digging or simply miss it in their fatigue. He thought of a better alternative than burying it: He gave instructions to the wheelbarrow man to sift the dirt before carting it away and he waited until Shalom Attiah's attention was diverted and placed the marble in the wheelbarrow. How excited Attiah must have been a few minutes later when he made the discovery and brought it to Vardaman's attention. This second hypothesis I think explains better: 1) Why the diggers did not find the artifact. 2) Why Vardaman took the extraordinary step of having a wheelbarrow man re-sift dirt that had already been sifted by trained professionals. Incidentally, Patcleaver, I have found no evidence that any scientific tests were ever performed on this marble to determine the age of the the fascia. Also, I could not find any report of how the second bit of tablet was found. Warmly, Philosopher Jay Quote:
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It would take an overwhelming case to overcome the blatantly obvious signs of fraud here...at least for me. |
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Is it correct to charge Vardaman with forgery? Carrier charges him with insanity:
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Possible Scenarios for Forgery
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Good points. Unfortunately, we do not have very much published information about the dig. According to Ben Smith,http://www.textexcavation.com/priest...scription.html the only full description of the fragments in English does come from The book "The Teacher's Yoke." It would be lovely to have more information, but I think enough of a shadow has been cast by the unique circumstances of the discovery of the first marble and Vardaman's subsequent behavior for us to show strong scepticism about the discovery. While most archaeologists and historians may accept Nazareth based on sincere and reasonable deductions, this remains the only ancient piece of evidence actually mentioning the place outside the New Testament scriptures. Quote:
Now any number of scenarios are possible. The second marble, containing 5 letters total, may have actually been discovered and Vardaman used the letters on it as his template for the size and style of the letters he forged on his marble. On the other hand, he may have forged both marbles and decided to have them discovered in separate places. Unfortunately, there is no information about the date of discovery of the second marble, so we cannot even determine which scenario is more likely. While one should not demand every discovery be made under ideal conditions, this discovery crosses the line the other way, where it should not be accepted based on the person involved and the unusual method of discovery. If the marble was subjected to sufficient scientific testing and found to be genuine, then the sceptical objections could be dismissed. However, until we have these scientific tests, we should not claim it as evidence for the early existence of Nazareth. Warmly, Philosopher Jay Quote:
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You are positing something that would require careful planning and skill to accomplish, and as I pointed out earlier, the payoff for the accomplishment just wouldn't be that big, since the fragments are far from a smoking gun and merely confirm something that the archaeologists didn't doubt in the first place. Furthermore, your evidence that Vardaman was of a disposition to do such a clever forgery doesn't wash. Vardaman's work with the supposed microletters isn't very competent, and looks more like the work of someone who's fooled himself rather than that of someone setting out to deliberately forge. It certainly does not display the craftiness that your forgery theories require. |
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Hi Toto,
Good point. He may have been insane, but apparently, he did some drawings of coins which were good enough to fool John McRay (Emeritus Professor of New Testament and Archaeology at Wheaton College Graduate School) into presenting his theory in a serious manner in the book "Archaeology and the New Testament" (1991). The drawings are of an authentic coin. Vardaman merely put in some some letters that wasn't originally there. This is what he may have done with the Caesarean marble. Warmly, Philosopher Jay Quote:
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I am not sure about any time constraints. I do not imagine that any archaeologist with a good knowlege of Hebrew as Vardaman had, would need more than half an hour to inscribe 18 or 19 letters. Quote:
If Vardaman had pointed to an area and said to the diggers, "Dig here" and the marble was uncovered, we would immediately suspect forgery. In fact, telling the wheelbarrow person to carefully check his wheelbarrow, a procedure that had not been followed up to that point, till the very end of the dig, is virtually equivalent to Vardaman pointing to a spot and saying, "Dig here." Quote:
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