Johann_Kaspar

Bullshit again and always.

Group of three versus many crucified.
Joseph receives one corpse but does not take it down versus Josephus receives nothing but the three men still living are cared by doctors
None survives versus one survives
Begged about one corpse versus begged to save lives
Free man versus prisoner of war
Arimathea is not a "last name", it is not even a name

Johann_Kaspar

Well, he has to offer his book. Looks like this "debate" is kind of advertisment, isn't it?

Chris Weimer

It always has been. This isn't the first time either he's said, "well, you just need to buy my book."

Joe Atwill

Johann and JG:

As a father of teenagers if I want crazy I can just go into the kitchen.

We're done.

Joe

Johann_Kaspar

I am already in the kitchen.

And by the way have you done your homework about the "passover lamb" in August in Josephus War?

Johann_Kaspar

Isn't it "you just need to read my book"?

Well, currently I am not in a mood to read comic books. To take seriously his conspiracy theory would be just insulting.

He is really insulting the intelligence of others.

jgibson000

I'd be grateful if you'd let me know how and where in the messages I've sent you that I've been acting "crazy".

It's curious how you say this every time you are asked a question that if you answered honestly, would embarrass you and/or show that you can't back up your claims.

Jeffrey Gibson

mountainman

Hi Joe,

Earlier Toto was diligent enough to furnish Richard Carrier's review
of "the idea and summary of the claims in your book", in which his
summation is:

Choose what you think is the best single piece of evidence he has--one thing that is so peculiar it seems it could have no other explanation--and present that case to me by email and I'll check that one claim and see where it takes me.

What you have written above contains multiple claims, but each
are linked, and some are validated by archeological evidence that
include coins and inscriptions, independent of the literature tradition.

Perhaps the most peculiar item you put forward above is a possible
explanation between the symbolism of the fish, and "christianity".
I may be missing something, that others may know, but to my knowledge
there in fact does not exist any firm and reasonable correspondence
agreed on by multiple parties, for this connection. Sure we have the
age of Pisces, but every tradition on the planet borrowed from the sky.

The appearance of the fish in the Flavian "technology" along with their
sponsorship of literature, and the correspondences in that literature,
and their use of the word "christ" --- as you are claiming --- seems
to at least provide some sort of citation that needs to be factored
into the possible evolution of "christianity".

I dont think anyone has problems understanding that whatever went
down at the imperial level in antiquity affected alot of people, because
the ruling class of Romans were generally better understood in today's
terminology as a buch of mafia thugs, with personal armies.

The peculiar claim that "the Flavian Caesars maintained that
they were the ‘Christ’ is pivotal. What words were used in the
Greek by who here. Can you point to a specific text citation
for this claim? I'd be interested to see it myself because prior
to hearing this claim, I was of the opinion that the word "christ"
or "the christ" had not occured outside of the "ecclesiastical"
literary tradition.

There cannot be too many historical claims in respect of human
beings calling themselves "the Christ" in antiquity. If in fact
this is the case, then IMO it does not appear to be common
knowledge.

Thanks again for your patience.

Johann_Kaspar

None of course, except Josephus, smart enough to save his skin. But why to use that word "Christ" in English, when it should read "annointed"...

Julian

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