Net2004

i meant to say where in mark jesus teaches to the outsiders that he is the sower of the good seed.

Matthew
(Matt 13:36) Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him saying, "Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field."
(Matt 13:37) He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man.

note the bolded and underlined part?

Net2004

so jesus is a liar when he says
"But to those on the outside everything is said in parables "

sschlichter

These seem like good examples where Jesus is not able to keep a secret.

(Mark 1:21) Then they went to Capernaum. When the Sabbath came, Jesus went into the synagogue and began to teach.
(Mark 1:22) The people there were amazed by his teaching, because he taught them like one who had authority, not like the experts in the law.

(Mark 2:15) As Jesus was having a meal in Levi's home, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with Jesus and his disciples, for there were many who followed him.

(Mark 1:14) Now after John was imprisoned, Jesus went into Galilee and proclaimed the gospel of God.
(Mark 1:15) He said, "The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the gospel!"

(Mark 8:34)
Then Jesus called the crowd, along with his disciples, and said to them, "If anyone wants to become my follower, he must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me.
(Mark 8:35) For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and for the gospel will save it.
(Mark 8:36) For what benefit is it for a person to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his life?
(Mark 8:37) What can a person give in exchange for his life?
(Mark 8:38) For if anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."

sschlichter

Jesus, was for a time speaking in parables about the Kingdom of God. He obviously did not say he will never say anything to anyone who is not a disciple that is not a parable. He is not a liar. He couldn't not have gotten across town if he is unwilling to ever say anything to anyone that is not a parable.

sschlichter

Yes, the secret of the Kingdom of God was a message for his disciples. They did not understand the parable. This does not mean Jesus' entire mission was a secret as was demonstrated to you from mark and the other gospels.

Clinical

Wrong. Muhammed had miracles. His Night Journey and miraculous escape from the Pagans of Quraysh just before migrating to Medina.
Again wrong. Muhammed was almost exactly like Moses.
Again, wrong. The Quran says that there was a prophecy about a gentile prophet in the Torah, but since the Bible underwent major changes throughout the centuries we won't find this exact prophecy. Still we can find several passages in the Hebrew Bible today hinting at an Arab prophet.
Jesus did not fulfil a single major Messianic prophecy.
Again wrong. The Quran has several prophecies. some of them passed the test and some of them are about the end times.
Jesus's prophecies failed such as his supposed return in Mark.
Again, wrong. Muhammed received his revelations among his followers. What you are talking about here is a forged story that was invented 150 years after Muhammed's death.
Same can be said Muhammed regarding nature, angels and men.
This does not prove the inspiration of the Bible at all, never mind that none of these quote any of the 4 Gospels as scripture.
The Quran was revealed to one man over 23 years. The books of the Bible were revealed to tens of unknown people over a period of 1500 years. Make of that what you wish.
So what? I am the president of the US!
Everyone dies and gets buried.
He did not predict his "resurrection". That's an invention by anonymous people.
And this proves what exactly? And Jesus could not have been God. He was physically limited and had several shortcomings.
Wrong. The Quran never says that the Bible is the Word of God. On the contrary, the Quran says that the Jews corrupted the Torah and the Christians destroyed the book given to Eisa (Or Jesus), known in the Quran as the Injil.

Clinical

You do know that a very little minority of "modern day Canaanites" blow themselves up, and that they indoctrinate their children from birth to hate the Jews (The Jews too reciprocate) because the Jews occupy their land. A land that the Jews have no historical right to whatsoever.

sschlichter

Hello my friend,

please provide references. I am having a hard time comparing his escape with the miracles of Jesus. Musa's words were accompanied by miraculous signs and the presence of God.

Some are described in the Koran

Surah 2:60 And when Musa prayed for drink for his people, We said: Strike the rock with your staff So there gushed from it twelve springs; each tribe knew its drinking place: Eat and drink of the provisions of Allah and do not act corruptly in the land, making mischief.

yet, Mohammed performs no miracles.

the dead sea scrolls confirm that the Bible Mohammed referred to as the Word of God, such as in Surah 2:53 And when We gave Musa the Book and the distinction that you might walk aright. is the same Bible that we have. Why would Mohammed refer to it as the word of God, had it been corrupted.

If God's Word can be corrupted, then how do you know the Koran is not corrupted. AS a matter of fact, the Koran says that God's word will not be changed, does it not.

Surah 50:29 My word shall not be changed, nor am I in the least unjust to the servants.

How did God allow his word to be changed?

Wasn't Jesus a prophet? How can his prophecies fail? Didn't Mohammed say, in surah 2:87
And most certainly We gave Musa the Book and We sent apostles after him one after another; and We gave Isa, the son of Marium, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit, What! whenever then an apostle came to you with that which your souls did not desire, you were insolent so you called some liars and some you slew.

regardless of what you think of Mark. Mohammed saw Jesus as a prophet, born of a virgin, and beyond mistaken prophecies. didn't he?

I do not know what you are referring to.

yes, it certainly does not prove it but there is also the witness of the Koran.

2:89 And when there came to them a Book from Allah...

5:44 Surely We revealed the Taurat in which was guidance and light...

5:68 Say: O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord...

6:154 Again, We gave the Book to Musa to complete (Our blessings) on him who would do good (to others), and making plain all things and a guidance and a mercy, so that they should believe in the meeting of their Lord.

I offer no proof. However, you can see how much God loves Muslims by googling "Muslims, dreams, visions" and you will see that God is revealing himself to Muslims all over the world.

~Steve

sschlichter

Yes, I know that. I belevie it to be a political issue. Americans sacrfice 1 million of their own children every year in the name of convenience.

Johnny Skeptic

No evidence can be provided in this thread about slavery that indicates that the God of the Bible exists, that he is moral, and that Old Testament Jews were more moral than all other groups of people in the world. The only issues are secular, academic, historical issues, just like how moral King Hammurabi was. King Hammurabi was a remarkably moral man for his time period, which was thousands of years before Christ.