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Old 05-15-2006, 11:07 PM   #1
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Given that god exists, does anyone know a good argument, a book or an article arguing against god sending revelations to certain group people?
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Given that god exists, does anyone know a good argument, a book or an article arguing against god sending revelations to certain group people?
I think there is stronger evidence for the contrary.

Prophets such as Zoroaster, Jesus and Muhammad shared many qualities in

common...and their message is one and the same. There is a strong degree

of internal consistency between the varying texts (Qur'an, Torah, Avesta)

despite being separated

by time and space....and no ..the plagiarism argument isn't exactly always

valid...nor very well developed..

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It appears that the name of G-d is relatively conserved throughout

all the major religions.

i.e

Zoroastrianism : AHURA

Judaism: Ha'ALOAH

Buddhism: ARAHA

Christianity (aramaic): ALLAHA

Islam: ALLAH

another synonym of G-d in the Qur'an : RAHMAN

Hinduism: BRAHMAN

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Salaam


http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemo...ne02_index.php


"And, indeed We have sent Rusul (Messengers) before you; of some of them We have related to you their story; and of some We have not related to you their story, and it was not given to any Rasul (Messenger) that he should bring a sign except by the Leave of Allah. So, when comes the Commandment of Allah, the matter will be decided with Truth, and the followers of falsehood will then be lost." Qur'an, Sura 40:78
وَلَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا رُسُلًا مِّن قَبْلِكَ مِنْهُم مَّن قَصَصْنَا عَلَيْكَ وَمِنْهُم مَّن لَّمْ نَقْصُصْ عَلَيْكَ وَمَا كَانَ لِرَسُولٍ أَنْ يَأْتِيَ بِآيَةٍ إِلَّا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ فَإِذَا جَاء أَمْرُ اللَّهِ قُضِيَ بِالْتَقِّ وَخَسِرَ هُنَالِكَ الْمُبْطِلُونَ

“And Rusul (Messengers) We have mentioned to you before, and Rusul (Messengers) We have not mentioned to you - and to Musa (Moses) Allah spoke directly” Qur'an, Sura 4:164

وَرُسُلاً قَدْ قَصَصْنَاهُمْ عَلَيْكَ مِن قَبْلُ وَرُسُلاً لَّمْ نَقْصُصْهُمْ عَلَيْكَ وَكَلَّمَ اللّهُ مُوسَى تَكْلِيمً


"And they broke their religion (into sects) between them: to Us shall all come back." Al-Qur'an, Sura 21:93


Verily We have sent thee in truth, as a bearer of glad tidings, and as a warner: and there never was a people, without a warner having lived among them (in the past).( 35:24 Qur'an)
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I think there is stronger evidence for the contrary.

Prophets such as Zoroaster, Jesus and Muhammad shared many qualities in

common...and their message is one and the same.

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How is their message the same? Muhammed preached 1 god, Zoroaster preached 2 gods, and Jesus is purported to have preached that he was a god. Jesus purportedly preached and practiced abstinence, Muhammed didn't. The paths to salvation in all 3 religions (not to mention the sub-cults) are irreconcilable. You have to take your chance with one of them, or some other religion, and convince yourself that you've made the right choice.
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Sending messages to a person is simply the worst way of conveying a message to everyone, because almot no body will get the message. If we assume that Mahomet was a prophet, god has misrably failed to send a good message, because 4/5 of the people living in this planet have not received the message or lets say the message is not amazing enough to convince people that it is from a supreme being.
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Sending messages to a person is simply the worst way of conveying a message to everyone, because almot no body will get the message.

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What are you talking about ...I didn't PM you...
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How is their message the same? Muhammed preached 1 god, Zoroaster preached 2 gods....

Zoroaster did NOT preach two gods. He preached one God and one satan. The duality is akin to Christianity where God is One and Satan is given domain on earth ( Prince on earth or temporary "deity" on earth). However, this is all semantics....
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we assume that Mahomet was a prophet, god has misrably failed to send a good message, because 4/5 of the people living in this planet have not received the message or lets say the message is not amazing enough to convince people that it is from a supreme being

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Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. According to the U.N Islam's annual growth rate is faster than that of the human population growth rate. Also according to U.N Islam should garner 45% of the world population by the year 2050. The historian Samuel Huntington in his book " Clash of Civilization" states that Islam will constitute 33% of the world population by the year 2025. This is hardly a failure. Islam has the largest amount of converts coming into the religion and the least amount of adherents leaving the religion. With the exception of Iryan and Algeria....Muslims in general do not convert out of the religion ( the main reason they do so in those respective countries...is not due to independent thinking but rather a cultural phenomena strongly rooted in politics).
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Jesus purportedly preached and practiced abstinence,

I guess you're not a fan of Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code
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Assuming there is a god, i'm putting my money on god telling one person, and then the grape vine effect leaving us with what we have today, something totally different.
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