arnoldo

True, Jerusalem was destroyed and rebuilt many times but it was always rebuilt by Jews. In contrast Tyre that Ezekiel wrote about was built by the phoenicians and they never rebuilt their city again after Alexander the Great destroyed it.

arnoldo

You forgot the holy roman empire is a myth.:huh:

Sheshonq

The walls were on the island. You haven't shown any evidence for walls on the mainland suburbs.

Given the poorly framed arguments and your deliberate avoidance of the rebuttals, you should count yourself lucky that we take the time to respond at all.

Yep, and it's all true. Of course, if you disagree then you're free to refute spin's posts on the issue.

But hey - who am I kidding? We all know that you don't have the intellectual horsepower or education to do that.

Cool. Maybe one day you'll realize that it is the historical evidence that says there was no Medo-Persian empire.

1. A claim for which you have never provided any evidence. We've asked multiple times, but you lack the intellectual integrity to answer.

2. You've also consistently dodged my question: what makes you think that Nebuchadnezzar would march his army for months, intent on conquering and island city, and then forget to bring the necessary equipment to carry out the attack?



Whether a bare spot exists is irrelevant. The prophecy said the entire city would be bare. Moreover, you were given the citation from Britannica indicating that the majority of Phoenician Tyre lies underneath the present-day town. Not under the "bare spot".

You see? It's mutiple holes in your argument -- holes which you are too timid to address -- that are the reason why we don't accept your point of view. Oh, I'm sure you'll write it off to being nonbelievers. But the reality is that your argument sucks, and you don't want to fix the holes in it.

sugarhitman

Yes true enough the island city itself does not exist. But God makes it clear that this location will not be desolate nor uninhabited until he brings the deep over it (the critics ignore this part of prophecy I wonder why?). Until then as the text makes clear it will be a place for fishing as it is now. No time in the great history of Tyre was it ever reduced to such a low status. The fact it is a fishing site (especially on the causeway) proves the prophecy. I am quite stunned that people have closed their eyes to such proof. It makes me think sometimes that if Jesus himself were to land on their heads, they would still say "I dun see nuthun" or "Hey you don't exist" I mean it is remarkable....and sad.

Sheshonq

*sigh*

Will you stop making this shit up just because you are desperate? Jerusalem was nearly *emptied* of Jews at one time. It was rebuilt by Moslems and Christians for centuries during the time that it was part of the various caliphates and/or crusader kingdoms. Your homemade claim above ("always rebuilt by Jews") is not only wrong, but it was easily verified by anyone who knows a nickel about history of that time.

Again, making stuff up because you are trapped and cornered. Ezekiel does not say "By Phoenicians". All it says is "built no more". You are trying to add conditions to the prophecy because you know that it cannot stand in its original form.

Secondly, the city WAS rebuilt after Alexander's siege. IMMEDIATELY after the siege, in fact.

Thirdly, your source is not only biased, but deliberately twisting the data. (Apologeticspress.com? You've got to be kidding). Merely because there are Roman-era ruins in Tyre does not mean that it was an ethnically Roman town. There are also Roman ruins in Jerusalem that date from the same time; does that prove that Jerusalem of 50 AD was a Roman town?

Why the HELL can't you take 10 seconds to spot such obvious, stupid and glaring holes in your arguments? I swear, it's like running after a 10 year old child that's too lazy to do his homework. :banghead:

Jack the Bodiless

Arnoldo, you followed this with a quote that directly contradicts you.
So, Tyre is there. The present town is, of course, TYRE.
Why do you guys make up this nonsense?

Alexander didn't destroy Tyre. He did a lot of damage and killed a lot of people, but Tyre made a complete recovery from Alexander. Indeed, 18 years later it managed to hold off the Macedonian general Antigonus for more than a year, and it was still a prosperous town when Jesus visited it four centuries later!

It even regained its independence (from the Seleucids).

arnoldo

I guess they took the city out of the sea and put it back together,right?

Jack the Bodiless

It wasn't IN the sea.

The rubble from the MAINLAND ended up in the sea.

Tyre was on the ISLAND.

arnoldo

In addition there are many prophecies that start and stop. For example Yeshua read a scroll to a certain point, closed it and said the prophecy has been fulfilled. The next part obviously wasn't fulfilled but is still a prophecy,ie, an event that will occur in the future. In the same way Yeshua came 2000 years ago fulfilled many prophecies, then stopped. The rest about establishing the kingdom of Israel is still pending. But the fact that the State of Israel exists continue to be proof of the existence of God.

Darklighter

Sugar, earlier you said this:
To which I responded:
All of your ridiculous assertions have been answered. You may not agree with the answer, but nonetheless, it was answered. Please stop regurgitating the same fucking crap over and over and address my above post. I'll break it down for you:

1) Explain how you know more than the numerous scholars behind the translations I quoted. I showed you that it is the scholarly opinion that Ezekiel himself made the distinction between "Tyre" and the mainland, this single point destroys your whole premise. You claimed otherwise. Now, back up your assertion or I will accept your silence on this point as a concession.

2) How can God destroy the island when there is no longer an island to destroy?

3) Address the Egypt part of the prophecy, or again, I will accept your silence on the issue as another concession.

Thank you.