Ratel

The man wrote an essay on why he is a feminist for crying out loud. What does he have to do in order to not be considered a misogynist, wear a dress or something? http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/...chard-carrier/

Toto

Acharya S and a few key supporters seem unable to understand why the whole world is not in awe of her brilliance - so she tends to accuse her critics of professional jealousy, misogyny, hating her because she is beautiful, etc. It's part of the mindset of her New Age background, but it gets in the way of any dialogue.

aa5874

Ehrman's book "Did Jesus Exist?" is extremely problematic and Exposes that Ehrman himself does NOT even remember what he writes.

Ehrman DEVASTATES the HJ argument.

Please examine pages 39-42 of "Did Jesus Exist?" with the sub-titled "The Kinds of Sources Historians Want".

Ehrman's Jesus FAILS every criteria that is fundamental to his argument for an historical character.

1. Historians want Hard Evidence----There is NO hard evidence for an historical Jesus.

2. Historians want products which can be traced back to the person--There is NO product that can be traced back to Jesus himself.

3. Historians want eye-witness accounts---There are NO confirmed eyewitness accounts of Jesus.

4. Historians want corroborative sources but WITHOUT collarboration--The sources which mention Jesus cannot be shown to be without collaboration.

It is clear that Ehrman's Jesus is a product of BELIEF and NOT a product of history.

What is wanted to argue for an historical Jesus is completely MISSING in antiquity.

Ehrman's Jesus is an ARTICLE of FAITH.

Dave31

LOL, yeah, the "New Age" lie gets passed around a lot by those who also don't know her work. It's just another cheap shot to pile the rest. The jealousy, misogyny and malicious smears are a real problem as many others have noticed:

The fact remains that most of her critics have to resort to distortions, misrepresentations, malicious smears and flat out lies. People like Carrier and Bart Ehrman make sloppy and egregious errors probably because they've never read a single book of hers - it's also probably why they're incapable of acknowledging that she may be right about anything at all, of course, their goal is merely to trash her no matter what:

The phallic 'Savior of the World' hidden in the Vatican

Most here at this forum are simply not any type of reliable or credible source for accurate information regarding the work by Acharya S as has been pointed out many, many times over the years.

Dave31

Baaahaha, this is the same kid who not long ago claimed to be a "Historian, bible and ancient text expert" with a high school diploma. Rook, like Carrier has also written blogs trashing Acharya's books he has never read, which is more intellectual dishonesty and that's precisely the influence Carrier has on the younger crowd. He travels around doing his lectures telling blatant lies about Acharya S and others he doesn't like even though he hasn't even read their work.

What's so special about Rook/Tom anyway? He's done absolutely nothing, yet, people like Carrier keep him under their wing and protect him. Carrier won't even allow any critical comments be posted at his blogs. WHY? Are his parents rich or something? I've never seen any legit reason for all these scholars to help him so much. Rook/Tom is not a scholar, he's a scholar wanna be and the only way he'll ever amount to anything is with other scholars holding his hand.

None of the trashy smears tossed at Acharya S were ever necessary at all. Acharya S has never done a damn thing to any of those guys. It's sad that they can't just acknowledge where she may be right rather than constantly attack her out of intellectual dishonesty in an attempt to dismiss her entire body of work. Yeah, they're jealous, misogynistic and dishonest about her work.

What's really funny is that the courses Rook/Tom is finally taking are the same Acharya S has - Rook/Tom is after the exact same credentials that Acharya S already possessed when Rook was born.

Dave31

LOL, yeah, he purposely did all that right after he maliciously smeared Acharya S, once again. So, I don't buy it. Carrier has never been held accountable for all his intellectual dishonesty and malicious smears tossed at Acharya S. He's simply not a reliable or credible source when it comes to the work by Acharya S. Those who've actually read her work already know this fact.

Toto

No, I got it from Diane Murdock herself, who said that she got her start at a bookstore in Los Angeles known as the Bodhi Tree. I knew that crowd, and the influence is obvious.

I'd really like to think more highly of Acharya S. She has interesting ideas and I think she is right on some basis themes. But she displays a certain inflexibility, as if she knows the Truth. Has she ever changed her mind on any significant point?

Toto

He's actually studying for a degree and interacting with scholars.

GakuseiDon

Dave31, according to her website, Acharya S calls herself "part and parcel of the Creative Life Force that permeates the cosmos". She also seems to believe in a conspiracy of ancient orders to use Christianity to control us, which she is eager to expose so as to bring in a new age (so to speak) of Enlightenment. These are "New Age" concepts, since a New Age requires the extinguishing of the Old one.

Can you confirm that Acharya S has claimed the following please? My bold throughout the quotes below.
http://www.truthbeknown.com/atheist.htm

It has been suggested that I am an "atheist" and am "very destructive." However, I am neither a theist nor an atheist, although, for the most part, I prefer atheists because they can think for themselves and are not as vicious as "believers."...

I categorize myself as neither of these, since I prefer to view the entire cosmos as divine and awesome. I may thus be called "pantheistic." I may also be considered a mystic, a "homo novus," or, as it were, a new woman...

And yes, I am here to destroy. I am the intellectual aspect of Kali, the destroyer, of Shiva, of Zeus the thunderer, and of Jehovah the flattener of cities. But I am also a part and parcel of the Creative Life Force that permeates the cosmos, and upon the ruined foundations of dead and rotten ideologies I build anew...

The truth is that we all have wisdom, and my wisdom is telling me that now is the time to wake up to our universal selves, as we sit on the edge of global chaos...Thus, like Kali, I am hacking away at the veil that keeps you sightless and asleep to the ethereal and awe-inspiring nature of the cosmos.

Dave31, are you part of the Creative Life Force that permeates the cosmos? How about Acharya S? In your view, is she part of the Creative Life Force that permeates the cosmos?

Also:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Christ...y/message/3106

I've said this before, but it bears repeating, I think. I like to describe Christianity as a Trojan Horse: Park Christianity at the gate of the nations, and out pop a bunch of "Chosen People." As far as I'm concerned, and as I think I make clear in my books, Christianity is a deliberately contrived ideology (not that religions in general aren't), designed to perpetuate the established domination (not hegemony, since "the nations" are not allies) of the Old Testament supremacists. (I hope you get my drift. I need no smearing with fallacious terms such as "anti-Semitic.")

Dave31, do you think Christianity was contrived to perpetuate the domination of the Old Testament supremacists?

Also:
http://www.truthbeknown.com/aliens.htm

Keith recounts Vallee's work:

[Keith writes in his book:] "A remarkable UFO group was contacted by Jacques Vallee in Paris, France. The group is called the Order of Melchizedek, and it uses the Star of David for its emblem, and for its program espouses a one world government and the doing away with money and religion - except for the UFO-oriented sort of religion, I would imagine. The Order is cabalistic in its mystical practices, the Qabalah being an ancient form of Jewish mystical cosmology, a philosophy also employed by other occult groups such as the OTO and the Freemasons. Vallee notes the curious number of organizations that the head of the French Order of Melchizedek fronts, including the Front for Christian Liberation, Jesus People Europe, Jesus Revolution, the Charismatic Christian, the Christian Socialist Party, and Jew and Arab movements. Here revelant cross-currents include cabalism, the Order of Melchizedek, and the Star of David."

In this case, it is obvious that the same old terrestrial powerbrokers are up to their old tricks. The Order of Melchizedek, in fact, is named in the Bible as the highest priesthood, of which Abraham and Jesus are made priests under Melchizedek.

Dave31, can you tell us some more about the "same old terrestrial powerbrokers" and the "Order of Melchizedek"? Are they still active today? How is Acharya S going in her fight against them?

aa5874

This thread is about EHRMAN.

Please, let us NOT derail the thread.

Carrier has declared after annotation of "Did Jesus Exist?" that Ehrman's book is "worse than bad". Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist?" is actually the WORST.

This is Carrier on Ehrman: A Failure of Fact and Logic.

See http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/1026/