Carin Nel

I'm leaving for the Kruger National Park and I'll try to continue with our discussion when I come back if you feel like it. So maybe we'll talk again after the 17th of July.

Regards,
Carin Nel

Carin Nel

Sven: "This guy was impressed by C.S.Lewis
How stupid can one get? "

Hi Sven,
Well, C.S. Lewis impressed many people including well-respected scientists. You're obviously not one of them!:-)
See link and read both pages if you're interested. One of the world's leading biologists, Francis S. Collins, led the international Human Genome Project that mapped the 3.1 billion chemical base pairs in humanity's DNA. He now directs the U.S. government program on applying that information to medical treatments.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072100927.html

Internationally respected biochemist and one of the world's leading experts in origin of life research, Fazale "Fuz" Rana and world renowned astrophysicist Dr. Hugh Ross claim to have developed a creation model that is testable, falsifiable, and predictive. For the first time in 80 years, such a model would move the evolution/creation debate from science vs. religion, to science vs. science.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/oct/05100605.html


Love you all,
Carin Nel

Carin Nel

Eighty years after the infamous Scope trials, more than 400 scientists from all disciplines have signed onto a growing list of those who are “skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life.They have signed the “Scientific Dissent From Darwinism.” The list includes over 70 biologists. This list is a witness to the growing group of scientists who challenge Darwinian theory on scientific grounds.

To read the article:

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jul/05072204.html

The list:

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/vie...B-download.php...

Regards,
Carin Nel

Sven

Argument from authority. *yawn*

Lewis "Liar, Lunatic, Lord - trilemma" is one of the stupiedest arguments I've ever heard.

From there: "He asks scientific skeptics to investigate God with the same open-minded zeal they apply to the natural world, saying that there's no incompatibility between belief and scientific rigor."
Nice to see that he contradicts himself. The quote is pure bullshit. It's exactly for the reason that we have "investigate[d] God with the same open-minded zeal [we] apply to the natural world" that we are atheists.

More from there: "He realized that as a scientist, 'you're not supposed to decide something is true until you've looked at the data. And yet I had become an atheist without ever looking at the evidence whether God exists or not.'"
This bolsters my point. His atheism was based on nothing, ours is based on research. We researched both theism and atheism, and found the former lacking. Since he has never thought about the topic in some depth, it's absoultely no wonder that he was convinced by Lewis' laughable arguments.

Ross "model" has been refuted quite thoroughly. But - as usual with creationists - he won't listen.
Interestingly, he is rebutted by both atheists and other creationists:
http://www.talkreason.org/articles/ross.cfm
http://www.answersingenesis.org/news/ross_gauntlet.asp

Regarding Rana, I read here:
"He [...] has published more than 15 journal articles"
With about 15 journal articles he's supposed to be "one of the world's leading experts in origin of life research"? :rolling:
I've published 10 articles myself, and I'm far from being a world leading expert in anything! My professor has published about 700 articles, he's someone I would call a world leading experts on some topics. This phrase in the article simply seems to be exaggeration by the reporter.

I don't find much more on Rana (except for this: http://www.asa3.org/archive/ASA/200003/0297.html which isn't that positive about his research...), but the fact alone that Ross is the co-author cries "bullshit!".

And what's really funny is that the negative reviews at amazon mostly come from Christians who think that the book is to rational, naturalistic, gives evidence from the real world more weight than the bible, etc. etc. :rolling:

Sven

Hint: This list is well-known. http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...87#post2567387

But if you did some research first, you won't embarrass yourself as much here with your posts. You apparently have heard about neither Project Steve (with 750 Steves on the list so far...) nor The Longest Running Falsehood in Creationism.

Amaleq13

This is not the appropriate forum for discussions about evolution. Stick to the Bible or take it elsewhere, folks.

Thanks in advance,

Amaleq13, BC&H moderator


PS Carin Nel,

FYI the converted scientist you have put forth as an example is strongly opposed to the nonsense called "creationism" and/or "intelligent design" and has publicly called for evangelicals to stop advocating such idiocy because it gives faith a bad name.

Sven

Now that Amaleq13 mentioned it, I see that any actual biblical content was severely missing from the posts above. Maybe it's time for some movement of the thread...?