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dollar · 07-31-2007, 03:18 PM

First off I respect all your views on life please don't think i'm trying to hurt any feelings. I just wanted to bring this information and you decide wether you agree or not...

The following may not be fact but concider this:

Christianity (and other religions) may be based off of
pagan sun worshipping or shall I say Astrology.

First off... Fish symbolism in Christianity = Jesus born at begining of age of Pisces (Pisces symbol is two fish together)

12 zodiac signs the sun travels with = the 12 apostles Jesus ( the son ) travels with

Ancients noticed the Sun moves south during winter, gets to a point where the sun stops moving south but also didn't move back north either for 3 days. They said the sun died for 3 days. When the Sun started moving north agian they said it ressurected from the dead. This "ressurection" of the sun after it "died" for 3 days happend on December 25th. They said the Sun was the salvation of the world because it was risen. The Sun is on the cross of the zodiac. = Hence Jesus died on the cross for 3 days then was ressurected or reborn.

Each zodiac constellation occupies 30 degrees of the zodiac circle = Thus Jesus was born "a little before the beginning" of the Age of Pisces then "begins his ministry" at age 30 (from the beginning of the Age of Aries to the beginning of the Age of Pisces 30 degrees)around when Jesus died (then was resurrected or reborn for the new Age of Pisces).

The cross of the zodiac = The cross of Jesus

The SUN of God = The SON of God

Crown of Thorns = Sun rays

God is the light of the world = The Sun is the light of the world

The word AGE mentioned throughout the Bible = AGE is an astrological term which lasts on average about 2,100 yrs

The "End Times" the Bible speaks of = The end of the Age of pisces

( Revelation 1:7 ) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. = The Sun cometh with clouds everyday to bring life to the world.

(John 14:2)In my Father's house (abide) are many (12)mansions (houses)= 12 houses of zodiac

(Luke 22:10) And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. = The Age after Pisces is Aquarius (who's house we enter after the piscin Age)who is symbolized holding a pitcher of water.

Here is some more info from the following web site: http://www.transactual.com/cac/symbolism.html
Consider the following:

Age of Leo

Sun worship, Ra, Sphinx or Lion (Age of Adam in Hebrew symbology)

Age of Cancer

Beetle or Sacred Scarab of Egypt, later the Crab, Isis (Eve)

Age of Gemini

Early writing, hieroglyphics, Horus and Set (or Cain and Abel)

Age of Taurus

Agricultural Age, Fertility religions, Golden Calf, Hindu Cattle worship, (Spanish bullfighting is a ritual relating to the end of the Taurus Age) The Hindu religion still clings to its cattle worship from the age of Taurus.

Age of Aries

Power worship -- Power god Jehovah, sign ruled by Ram or Lamb, Lamb of David, slaying of the lamb as a ritual commemorating the end of the age. The Hebrew or Jewish religion still promotes the concept of a the power-hungry, threatening, egocentric god Jehovah.

Age of Pisces

God as a fisher of men, Lamb of God sacrificed at the end of Aries age, resurrected for the new Piscean Age. The Cross as a symbol for the re-birth of the new year (Aries and Pisces are the cross points, or transition signs between the end of one zodiac and the beginning of the new zodiacal year, Easter, when the Sun (Son) hangs suspended on the cross between winter and spring, as the death of the Old and resurrection of the New. The Christian religions keep promoting a sacrificial lamb and asking followers to sacrifice and martyr themselves for Christ, while never realizing that they are keeping Christ on the Cross and could take him down and put him in their hearts and consciousness; keeping people bowing to the cross and feeling guilty if they ever question why they should go like zombies to kneel before a shrine that keeps the Christ suspended thus bowing to the messenger, while ignoring the message.

If you want to know more follow the links below, but please i'm not forcing you to look its your choice:

I recommend this video if you'd like a good video to show you how its possible Christianity may be Astrology
( The Naked Truth ) : http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...47278663885234

Another good video can be found at the following links which are broken into parts about 8 minits each:
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRZmzf7WiNg
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlGR8...watch_response
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ASZb...watch_response

Also here are some good informative web sites I recommend:
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/chri...jesus.html#Sun
http://home1.gte.net/deleyd/religion/friendletter.html
http://altreligion.about.com/library...greekcross.htm
http://www.transactual.com/cac/symbolism.html

Well you decide but it looks to me like Christianity and many other religions are nothing more than Astrology personified...but its completely up to you if you want to think the same, its just my opinion...

Your thoughts are welcome :wave:

GakuseiDon · 07-31-2007, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dollar

Well you decide but it looks to me like Christianity and many other religions are nothing more than Astrology personified...but its completely up to you if you want to think the same, its just my opinion...

Your thoughts are welcome :wave:

My first thought on reading things like this is: How much of the information is reliable?

Unfortunately there are a lot of weird and unsubstantiated claims floating around the Internet, and not all by theists (of which I am one).

For example, how confident are you that "The Naked Truth" video is providing accurate information about the parallels between Horus and Christ? How do we know that the information is reliable?

Chris Weimer · 07-31-2007, 08:52 PM

Complete and utter garbage.

TheInerrantWord · 07-31-2007, 10:00 PM

Ok, dollar, so let's hear the point. So what? So.. the Jesus fable is just another manifestation of man's attempt to find patterns and meaning. Tell me something that isn't obvious.

Goathead · 07-31-2007, 10:09 PM

Guys, its his first post.

WElcome dollar, your views are interesting and are being discussed right now in various forums.

Id like to say it is NOT complete and utter tripe, but neither is it all accurate.This general idea had been knocking around for a considerable time now.

As a note, dont bother listing every similarity between christ and any other deity/sun god because at best they are very controversial.What is accepted however, are the egyptian myths of the virgin birth, etc.

Start loing into Arachaya (i presume you use her stuff?) she is great but not always reliable.

A fruitful line of inquiry might be the greek complaints of xtianity stealing all there iddeas.

I really dont get the reaction guys?

TheInerrantWord · 07-31-2007, 10:17 PM

Goathead: you're absolutely correct. I'm a dick.

dollar: I am sorry for being snarky. You asked for thoughts and I gave you a reaction instead. That was immature of me. As it happens, I have no thoughts on this subject, only reactions. Oh, well.

Here's a thought. I've seen first posts that were less thought out. Keep thinking.

Chris Weimer · 07-31-2007, 10:23 PM

No, there is no serious inquiry being made concerning the astrological personification leading to Christ. I'll say the same thing I said in another forum:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

One of the biggest concerns of historical studies is that some are stricken with parallelomania - the incessant finding of parallels in everything, even when no reasonable trajectory can be found. Similarity does not equal dependence.

I implore you, dollar, to drop Archaya S completely. There are much better and closer explanations, such as the 12 disciples being reminiscient of the 12 tribes of Israel (and Paul explicitly mentions the Twelve as a real group, so it's very unlikely they were made up).

Goathead · 07-31-2007, 10:26 PM

No, your not a dick.Search my posts if you think im always so polite :devil1:

Its just that, as yousay, this is probably the best laid out first post ive seen on IIDB, he came with references and a working theory.Its also a theory that others ahve advanced, so on his own he can advance his research.

If however, he had posted "evolution is a jewish conspiracy" i would crucify him.But he didnt.

Dollar; as a heads up, most of the ideas involving "global links" are bogus.Ie; dragon temples in cambodia matching serpent temples in america, etc.

And for the record, i believe that these myths did come from observations of natural cycles, which over time have been added to and modified.

It is not as direct as some make out, however.

Goathead · 07-31-2007, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

No, there is no serious inquiry being made concerning the astrological personification leading to Christ. I'll say the same thing I said in another forum:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

One of the biggest concerns of historical studies is that some are stricken with parallelomania - the incessant finding of parallels in everything, even when no reasonable trajectory can be found. Similarity does not equal dependence.

I implore you, dollar, to drop Archaya S completely. There are much better and closer explanations, such as the 12 disciples being reminiscient of the 12 tribes of Israel (and Paul explicitly mentions the Twelve as a real group, so it's very unlikely they were made up).

Agreed, but its always fruitful to work through the material and know why something is bogus.Im sure hell realise the tenacious links in the theory.

Chris Weimer · 07-31-2007, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goathead

Agreed, but its always fruitful to work through the material and know why something is bogus.Im sure hell realise the tenacious links in the theory.

I used to think so. I'm far more cynical now, though.

07-31-2007, 03:18 PM	#1
dollar Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Southeastern, United States Posts: 8	The Origin of Christianity (I report, You decide) First off I respect all your views on life please don't think i'm trying to hurt any feelings. I just wanted to bring this information and you decide wether you agree or not... The following may not be fact but concider this: Christianity (and other religions) may be based off of pagan sun worshipping or shall I say Astrology. First off... Fish symbolism in Christianity = Jesus born at begining of age of Pisces (Pisces symbol is two fish together) 12 zodiac signs the sun travels with = the 12 apostles Jesus ( the son ) travels with Ancients noticed the Sun moves south during winter, gets to a point where the sun stops moving south but also didn't move back north either for 3 days. They said the sun died for 3 days. When the Sun started moving north agian they said it ressurected from the dead. This "ressurection" of the sun after it "died" for 3 days happend on December 25th. They said the Sun was the salvation of the world because it was risen. The Sun is on the cross of the zodiac. = Hence Jesus died on the cross for 3 days then was ressurected or reborn. Each zodiac constellation occupies 30 degrees of the zodiac circle = Thus Jesus was born "a little before the beginning" of the Age of Pisces then "begins his ministry" at age 30 (from the beginning of the Age of Aries to the beginning of the Age of Pisces 30 degrees)around when Jesus died (then was resurrected or reborn for the new Age of Pisces). The cross of the zodiac = The cross of Jesus The SUN of God = The SON of God Crown of Thorns = Sun rays God is the light of the world = The Sun is the light of the world The word AGE mentioned throughout the Bible = AGE is an astrological term which lasts on average about 2,100 yrs The "End Times" the Bible speaks of = The end of the Age of pisces ( Revelation 1:7 ) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. = The Sun cometh with clouds everyday to bring life to the world. (John 14:2)In my Father's house (abide) are many (12)mansions (houses)= 12 houses of zodiac (Luke 22:10) And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. = The Age after Pisces is Aquarius (who's house we enter after the piscin Age)who is symbolized holding a pitcher of water. Here is some more info from the following web site: http://www.transactual.com/cac/symbolism.html Consider the following: Age of Leo Sun worship, Ra, Sphinx or Lion (Age of Adam in Hebrew symbology) Age of Cancer Beetle or Sacred Scarab of Egypt, later the Crab, Isis (Eve) Age of Gemini Early writing, hieroglyphics, Horus and Set (or Cain and Abel) Age of Taurus Agricultural Age, Fertility religions, Golden Calf, Hindu Cattle worship, (Spanish bullfighting is a ritual relating to the end of the Taurus Age) The Hindu religion still clings to its cattle worship from the age of Taurus. Age of Aries Power worship -- Power god Jehovah, sign ruled by Ram or Lamb, Lamb of David, slaying of the lamb as a ritual commemorating the end of the age. The Hebrew or Jewish religion still promotes the concept of a the power-hungry, threatening, egocentric god Jehovah. Age of Pisces God as a fisher of men, Lamb of God sacrificed at the end of Aries age, resurrected for the new Piscean Age. The Cross as a symbol for the re-birth of the new year (Aries and Pisces are the cross points, or transition signs between the end of one zodiac and the beginning of the new zodiacal year, Easter, when the Sun (Son) hangs suspended on the cross between winter and spring, as the death of the Old and resurrection of the New. The Christian religions keep promoting a sacrificial lamb and asking followers to sacrifice and martyr themselves for Christ, while never realizing that they are keeping Christ on the Cross and could take him down and put him in their hearts and consciousness; keeping people bowing to the cross and feeling guilty if they ever question why they should go like zombies to kneel before a shrine that keeps the Christ suspended thus bowing to the messenger, while ignoring the message. If you want to know more follow the links below, but please i'm not forcing you to look its your choice: I recommend this video if you'd like a good video to show you how its possible Christianity may be Astrology ( The Naked Truth ) : http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...47278663885234 Another good video can be found at the following links which are broken into parts about 8 minits each: Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRZmzf7WiNg Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlGR8...watch_response Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ASZb...watch_response Also here are some good informative web sites I recommend: http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/chri...jesus.html#Sun http://home1.gte.net/deleyd/religion/friendletter.html http://altreligion.about.com/library...greekcross.htm http://www.transactual.com/cac/symbolism.html Well you decide but it looks to me like Christianity and many other religions are nothing more than Astrology personified...but its completely up to you if you want to think the same, its just my opinion... Your thoughts are welcome :wave:

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07-31-2007, 08:52 PM	#3
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	Complete and utter garbage.

07-31-2007, 10:00 PM	#4
TheInerrantWord Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT, USA Posts: 165	Ok, dollar, so let's hear the point. So what? So.. the Jesus fable is just another manifestation of man's attempt to find patterns and meaning. Tell me something that isn't obvious.

07-31-2007, 10:09 PM	#5
Goathead Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Australia, between desert and ocean. Posts: 1,953	Guys, its his first post. WElcome dollar, your views are interesting and are being discussed right now in various forums. Id like to say it is NOT complete and utter tripe, but neither is it all accurate.This general idea had been knocking around for a considerable time now. As a note, dont bother listing every similarity between christ and any other deity/sun god because at best they are very controversial.What is accepted however, are the egyptian myths of the virgin birth, etc. Start loing into Arachaya (i presume you use her stuff?) she is great but not always reliable. A fruitful line of inquiry might be the greek complaints of xtianity stealing all there iddeas. I really dont get the reaction guys?

07-31-2007, 10:17 PM	#6
TheInerrantWord Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT, USA Posts: 165	Goathead: you're absolutely correct. I'm a dick. dollar: I am sorry for being snarky. You asked for thoughts and I gave you a reaction instead. That was immature of me. As it happens, I have no thoughts on this subject, only reactions. Oh, well. Here's a thought. I've seen first posts that were less thought out. Keep thinking.

07-31-2007, 10:26 PM	#8
Goathead Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Australia, between desert and ocean. Posts: 1,953	No, your not a dick.Search my posts if you think im always so polite :devil1: Its just that, as yousay, this is probably the best laid out first post ive seen on IIDB, he came with references and a working theory.Its also a theory that others ahve advanced, so on his own he can advance his research. If however, he had posted "evolution is a jewish conspiracy" i would crucify him.But he didnt. Dollar; as a heads up, most of the ideas involving "global links" are bogus.Ie; dragon temples in cambodia matching serpent temples in america, etc. And for the record, i believe that these myths did come from observations of natural cycles, which over time have been added to and modified. It is not as direct as some make out, however.

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