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Sai · 09-21-2009, 12:04 PM

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[That's so cute.
The water is gone is a binary statement, made without qualifiers. But the water is not gone.

Yes, I said "The water is gone". I didn't say the entire river has vanished. I said "the Euphrates is drying up"

Once again.. you misread what I write. I never said "The river has run dry". When I said "It will be Flowing", I meant how it was a few years ago.

I've said all along, "The Euphrates river running dry is a sign of the times". You are the one that is adding words to my posts, or simply mis-quoting me.

Yes, Once again.. I have said this all along. The Euphrates is losing massive amounts of water. The Book of Revelation said this river will dry up in the end of days. And I've said all along "It's drying up as we speak"... I never said the river is gone.

I fully understand that a dam can release water. Once again, you have misunderstood me. This is a political issue that probably won't be resolved.

My photo is proof that the river is dwindling. As foretold by John nearly 2,000 years ago.

Of course it's not dried up yet. We are in the final stages of the end. John said this specific river will dry up, and it's happening. There is no rebuttal against this event. What we are witnessing is the prophecy of John being fulfilled.

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Debate? You make a claim and it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Again.

Actually, there is no debate on this issue. The Book of Revelation said this day would eventually come, and here we are.

You are trying to debunk this prophecy by claiming "the river is not dried up". well, not yet anyway. What will you say when the entire river is gone, and your little plan of releasing a dam fails you?

The "prophesy" debunks itself. It needs no help from us.

We wonder tho how you propose to understand the bible when you have trouble with understanding your own words:

"The water in the river is gone due to the Iraqi's misuse and the dam project."

"the river is dwindling"

"And I never said "the Euphrates has DRIED up"... I said "It is drying up", as foretold by John.

" The Euphrates River has run dry in 2009."

"I never said "The river has run dry".

"I have said all along, "It's happening". I have never said "the river is completely gone"

And I've said all along "It's drying up as we speak"... I never said the river is gone.

"The Euphrates River has run dry in 2009."

spamandham · 09-21-2009, 12:06 PM

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Oh no, not this again. You never commented on my post where I asked you when exactly "The Northern Kingdom" was suppossed to deliver those swords, helmets and horses as was said in the prophecy.

You just don't get how the Bible works. You see if a prophecy includes parts that make sense and parts that don't, then the parts that don't make sense are symbolic, or metaphors. It's ok to substitute nukes for horsemen, but rest assured that since mean 'ol Russia is to the North, that must be Magog.

Oh yeah, it's ok to change the names of things too. So even though Russia is not called Magog (and never has been), that's still Magog.

semiopen · 09-21-2009, 12:21 PM

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What an amazing coincidence that they decided to name it Israel! Either that, or dispensationalists and zionists were the driving force behind the creation of the modern secular state of Israel, trying to force the fulfillment of prophecy.

Congratulations on proving that in 1948, Christians dominated world politics.

Are you suggesting that Christians named "Israel" in 1948 just to fit into Biblical prophecy? That's absurd!

I think they should have named it "Mostly Judah."

show_no_mercy · 09-21-2009, 12:40 PM

Unfortunately the establishment of the state of Israel isn't the fulfillment of any prophecy. The kingdom of Israel hasn't existed since 135 CE. And I guess even then it was ruled by a prince, not a king.

semiopen · 09-21-2009, 01:04 PM

I'm not familiar with the previous voluminous posts on prophecy, but I'm not aware of any biblical prophecies ever coming true, if we eliminate the ones which are backwards. That is, an event happened and then somebody wrote a prophecy predicting it.

gdeering · 09-21-2009, 01:28 PM

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I think they should have named it "Mostly Judah."

Very good, thanks. I'll try to work it into my act.

Gregg

IBelieveInHymn · 09-21-2009, 01:56 PM

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I've said that all along. Iran will be the spark to Armageddon.

1. The Euphrates river is dwindling.
2. Iran is building a doomsday nuclear bomb for Israel.
3. President Barack Obama is trying to divide the State of Israel.
4. Russia is supplying Iran with weapons of Mass destruction.
5. Israel shall be reborn as a Nation (and the end shall come).

In relation to topic (4). Read the story about Gog-Magog. The Bible says; The mighty North will supply Persia with weapons for Armageddon.

The Mighty North = Russia. Conclusion? Russia is North of Israel.

Ancient Persia is now called Iran.

Do the math. It's all beginning to make perfect sense.

Oh no, not this again. You never commented on my post where I asked you when exactly "The Northern Kingdom" was suppossed to deliver those swords, helmets and horses as was said in the prophecy.

If World War 3 starts with horse mounted Iranian soldiers invading Israel with swords and helmets, I will literally ROFL.

Watch the video, and learn something today. http://formerthings.com/russia.htm

Johnny Skeptic · 09-21-2009, 03:00 PM

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Message to IBelieveInHymn: Do you mind replying to my post #40?

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I was reading your post, and it claims the same thing I'm saying. The world is running short on water. But that still doesn't explain why the "Euphrates" is drying up.

Secular, scientific reasons explain why water is become scarcer in many places in the world, not just the Euphrates River. One major reason given is over population.

Since the Euphrates River is part of a much bigger shortage of water in many places in the world, any of a number of guesses would have been correct. That is not very impressive. On the other hand, if the Bible predicted hundreds of years in advance when and where a natural disaster would occur, month, day, and year, that would be very impressive, but since a God did not inspire the Bible, that is why the Bible does not contain any prophecies of that quality.

What about all of the failed Bible prophecies, including the prediction by the writer of Genesis that a global flood would occur, and Ezekiel's prediction that God would give Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar as a compensation for his failure to defeat Tyre? In your opinion, how many failed prophecies should it take to discredit the Bible?

Are you aware that there are reasonably provable interpolations in the New Testament?

Johnny Skeptic · 09-21-2009, 03:06 PM

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Of course scientists won't claim "the end is near" if any other rivers run dry. Because the Bible predicted specifically the Euphrates.

The Euphrates River has not dried up.

Johnny Skeptic · 09-21-2009, 03:09 PM

Message to IBelieveInHymn: Skeptics have adequately refuted Bible prophecies for centuries? Why must you try to reinvent the wheel? The Internet contains hundreds if not thousands of adequate rebuttals to your claims.

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09-21-2009, 12:40 PM	#54
show_no_mercy Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Dancing Posts: 9,940	Unfortunately the establishment of the state of Israel isn't the fulfillment of any prophecy. The kingdom of Israel hasn't existed since 135 CE. And I guess even then it was ruled by a prince, not a king.

09-21-2009, 01:04 PM	#55
semiopen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hillsborough, NJ Posts: 3,551	I'm not familiar with the previous voluminous posts on prophecy, but I'm not aware of any biblical prophecies ever coming true, if we eliminate the ones which are backwards. That is, an event happened and then somebody wrote a prophecy predicting it.

09-21-2009, 03:09 PM	#60
Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Message to IBelieveInHymn: Skeptics have adequately refuted Bible prophecies for centuries? Why must you try to reinvent the wheel? The Internet contains hundreds if not thousands of adequate rebuttals to your claims.

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