spin

Mk "Γολογοθαν" is fem. sing. accusative. amartia => amartian

The others treat the name as indeclinable.

Which text of Mt has "Γολογοθα"?


spin

cass256

I could give a hoot about pronounciationt. The letters in the BDB Lexicon become the aramaic word used by John, far closer than any Hebrew spelling in the dictionaries. it is that simple.. That's all that matters to me. Your what if's can go on for as long as the earth spins. i know you don't like to lose a point, so what if it to death. If I showed you your face in a mirror you would come up with what if's to deny the person was you. It's hopeless. But that's why you are "spin", now, isn't it?

spin up another one pally! I'm done with it. B arring further dictionary proof I consider it case closed. schwaaaa

Pilate

This question necessitates knowledge that is beyond your expertise and mine.

I have given you the comments of the translator of Josephus, which explain the language that he used (Chaldee), which you have ignored.
You also ignored the citiation about the Gospel of the Hebrews, that was written in the Chaldee language (but with Hebrew letters).

You yourself advocate to adopt "modern opinions" when you claim that the dictionaries are outdated.
This is what we have at hand to work with. we have no choice. This is the word the Greeks used to describe the Hebrews.


I expected "the ultimate" dictionary to include all the Greek words of the New Testament. There is nothing wrong with such expectation. I guess in this case "ultimate" is a relative term. I expected to find specific references to works of ancient authors (like the Thayer's dictionary has- it gives book title and chapter). Such information is important for higher criticism.

This argument would hold up against a religious dogma. But this is not the case. We are not dealing with beliefs, to a large degree producing a dictionary involves empirical knowledge.

If your claim is that the Christians invented this "Chaldee" thing, you should ask the Jews. Their scholars claim they spoke Aramaic in the times of Jesus. (There are two Talmuds: the Babylonian and the Palestinian. Both serve as evidence that the Jews abandoned, to a considerable degree, their ancestral language).
From what I gather, some of you think that I am part of "the crime" (some conspiracy). "If he disagrees with us ... he has to be a fundie."
Make note: I am just an investigator.
Allow the person to stand where he wants. Do not pressure him (or her) through intimidation. When the dust settles everything will find its place. It will all happen naturally.
In rational thinking it is not the guy with the biggest mouth who wins, but the guy with the best ideas (if you let things happen naturally). And my friends, I am not here to win a trophy.
I am here to help expand the knowledge.

Pilate

Spin, since you put a lot of efford in explaining Hebrew words, tell us what is the depth of your expertise on Hebrew?

spin

It's interesting and telling that the article shows no interest in the DSS.

There are lots of things lacking in the nt: you have difficulties making a substantive case on the fact. But try if you like.

There is no argument here. Perhaps, you could restate what you would like to say.


spin

spin

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spin

If you cannot deal with the data, that is your problem. You have the responsibility to deal with evidence. If you cannot do that, you have nothing to say.


spin

spin

You wouldn't know.

Your accusation is false. I ignored nothing of the kind.

Again false accustion. Provide the gospel of the Hebrews.

Yet another false accusation. Deal with the ancient information and stop repeating other people's opinions.

Wrong yet again. It is given in Jn to express a language.

The editors of later versions of the have had to contain the numbers of words in the dictionary, cutting a lot of LXX content for example. But I don't know if it ever dealt with non-Greek words transliterated into Greek or extremely restricted circumstances of usage.

No, it's actually classed as a logical fallacy: appeal to authority.

Did the christians in the earliest times ever use "Chaldee"?

Well, what is Mishnaic Hebrew? The Talmuds were written long after the Mishnah.

No. I just think you have too much baggage to do the task you set yourself to do.

You need some investigative mistrust. You don't believe opinions simply because they are prevalent.

You can stand wherever you want. But if you come here and attempt to force predigested opinions down people's throats, you shouldn't expect a passive acceptance. You have to demonstrate what you say, not depend on authorities' opinions.

Who said the following?
All you need is some knowledge. When you deal with ancient languages you need to know something about them. You can't just give others' opinions. That just doesn't cut.


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Pilate

Use whatever word you want. Can you answer my questions?

Can you explain this: other than the books of the Old Testament, how many DSS books were written and in what language?
The following is a quote from the ANCHOR BIBIBLE DICTIONARY (A scholarly Encyclopedia):
(2) Jewish Literary Aramaic. (a) Qumran. Among the Dead Sea Scrolls, much (if not most) of the nonsectarian, parabiblical material is in Aramaic. This includes the Genesis Apocryphon, the Targum of Job, the books of Enoch, and the Testament of Levi. Bibliographic reference under this article:
Beyer, K. 1986. The Aramaic Language. Trans. J. F. Healey. Göttingen.

Pilate

Look at these arguments. The facts are coming at you too fast to answer. So you got back into your old mode: the hysterical mode. Look. I don't have much time to waste with you. Go on and answer the questions!

I got the following message from you and I can't find it.

What is the question? I gave you the verse in Matthew, you can find the word in The Greek New Testament by Kurt Alland.