Apikorus

What would you say about a king who had sex with another man's wife, then sent her husband to the battlefront with orders to his general that the husband be abandoned and left to die? Good character or no?

aguy2

As I see it, Xian scriptural revelation leaves as hanging with the armies of good and evil gathered at armaggon. There seems to be nothing that precludes a negotiated settlement.
If reconciliation where an 'impossible scenario', it would be seen to be either an unwillingless of 'Elohim' to forgive, or an 'Adversary' that was so primative that it would be impossible to repent due to a lack of 'free will'. I would think you are righteous in claiming that 'Elohim' would be forgiving. Are you claiming that the 'Adversary' lacks 'free will'?

After all the 'Adversary' vowed it would escape 'Elohim's' wrath by seducing all men, not all men but Job.
aguy2(amen)

Eldarion Lathria

Biblical Scum

Abraham: Impregnated a servant (Hagar) and abandoned her. Offered to murder his son.

Jacob: Deceived his aged father. Stole his brother's blessing. Extorted his brother's birthright.

Lot: Offered up his daughters to be raped. Committed incest.

Noah: Cursed his son who was trying to do him a favor.

Moses: Genocidal monster, religious bigot. War criminal.

Joshua: Genocide, war criminal.

David: Murderer, bandit, imperialist. Arranged for the death of a loyal supporter in order to steal his wife.

Solomon: Imperialist. Gave away ten towns in order to pay for a useless edifice. Oppressed his people with excessive taxation.

Elijah: Religious bigot.

Elishah: Religious bigot. Caused the death of children.

These are just some of the human beings.


Eldarion Lathria

aguy2

Are you saying that because the 'lord god of hosts' seemed to respect these flawed men, the 'lord god of hosts' must not be worthy of respect?
aguy2

Sheshbazzar

Revelation 20:1-10 does not indicate that a negotiated settlement is at all in the offing.

No, only that YHWH has already foreseen what choice The Adversary will make, and has by Holy writ revealed to men the judgment that will be levied against him and his minions.

Loomis

Does YHWH ever talk to you? :frown:

Eldarion Lathria

As bad as these men were, they were better than the 'lord god of hosts'. None of them abandoned a loyal supporter on a bet. They were bad on a lesser scale.

Eldarion Lathria

aguy2

If the 'lord god of hosts' was bad, but on a greater scale than man, wouldn't you 'fear' such a god?
aguy2

Sheshbazzar

He provided us with The Holy Scriptures, and with His Living Word to continue to speak unto His own in this manner;

"And your ears shall hear a word behind you, saying, This [is] the way, walk you in it, when you turn to the right hand, and when you turn to the left."

And again; "Today, after so long a time; as it is said, Today if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts."

Every individual professing to be a believer, ought then to be "hearing" and obeying whatever instructions are given by that Voice, As it says;
"IF you will hear His voice."
The only ones that cannot hear His voice, are they that are unbelieving and unwilling and will not hear.

I will be traveling for a few days, so will not be immediately making any further replies.

aguy2

'Holy writ' is always open to interpetation, but you nonetheless have presented a reasonable analysis of your case.

Jesus asks the Pharisees, "can a house divided stand against itself?" 'Arches' are architectural structures that are designed and built to 'stand against themselves'; could Jesus be telling us that he is a 'Repentant Satan' or what had been the 'Arch Angel'?
aguy2