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everettf · 08-07-2005, 06:37 AM

If Jesus was god, didn't he know how to write?

Is there anything available that was written by jesus. Was there at least a scribe that would take down what he said?

I tried reading the bible but found it boring.

Hyndis · 08-07-2005, 06:59 AM

While trying to do a bit of research for my other thread I was reading over parts of it again.

The Bible SUCKS. It is not the greatest story ever told. Your average cheap sci-fi book involving time travel, aliens, nazis, and spaceships has a more coherent plot. The prose is also just horrendous.

And I don't think its just a translation issue, either. For proof that works that old can also be good reading, I point to a linky.

http://classics.mit.edu/Browse/browse-Plato.html

If he was supposed to be a deity, why was Jesus illiterate? And why is his message, if one even exists, so garbled that there's umpteen million sects of Christianity out there?

Wouldn't this whole how-to guide to salvation thing be rather important? Wouldn't such an important thing be given a high priority? If the whole heaven and hell thing was true and God really is a loving deity, then why is the only guide towards getting into heaven so garbled as to be useless? And its incoherent and boring, too.

yalla · 08-07-2005, 08:24 AM

Eusebius H.E 1.13 has the text of a letter, personally translated from Syriac by Eusebius, written by Jesus to Abgar, toparch of Edessa.
Believe it if you wish.

everettf · 08-07-2005, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by yalla

Eusebius H.E 1.13 has the text of a letter, personally translated from Syriac by Eusebius, written by Jesus to Abgar, toparch of Edessa.
Believe it if you wish.

It looks like mythology
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?...7.177&method=1

yalla · 08-07-2005, 08:43 AM

Sure does.
There is supposed to be another example of JC writing.

The pericope ''The Woman Taken in Adultery'' which floats around various mss and ends up in "John" 7.6 in some versions or "Luke" 21.
Here JC bends down and writes with his finger in the ground.

Again, believe it if you wish.

everettf · 08-08-2005, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by yalla

Sure does.
There is supposed to be another example of JC writing.

The pericope ''The Woman Taken in Adultery'' which floats around various mss and ends up in "John" 7.6 in some versions or "Luke" 21.
Here JC bends down and writes with his finger in the ground.

Again, believe it if you wish.

I meant, does anything remain on stone or papyrus. Or anything that is proof of his writing ability.

jonesg · 08-08-2005, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by everettf

I tried reading the bible but found it boring.

Its too complicated for you, try something simpler like a science book.

yalla · 08-08-2005, 04:38 AM

"anything that is proof of his writing ability"
Nope
Of course not.
Fictional characters have no reality outside their literary creators. I'm a mythicist.

But I just remembered an example from the gospel of "Luke'' 4.16.
JC reads an extract from Isaiah ''found the place and read .....''.
Trouble is that which he reads is not from a place [singular], it starts at one spot, jumps ahead and then comes back.
So the author has his character doing something absurd [and incorrectly described] in front of people who would know better but who make no comment on that aspect.

It's fiction.

everettf · 08-08-2005, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jonesg

Its too complicated for you, try something simpler like a science book.

Not complicated, just boring. Do you need the bible to explain science?

Voice of reason · 08-08-2005, 07:15 AM

There is little evidence this Jesus even existed let alone wrote anything. The historian of the time have spoked or really their lack of it, is what is amazing.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Oct04/Salisbury1012.htm

I doubt this godman existed or prophet whichever someone asserts, the lack of evidence of his existence is astounding.

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08-07-2005, 06:59 AM	#2
Hyndis Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 6,588	While trying to do a bit of research for my other thread I was reading over parts of it again. The Bible SUCKS. It is not the greatest story ever told. Your average cheap sci-fi book involving time travel, aliens, nazis, and spaceships has a more coherent plot. The prose is also just horrendous. And I don't think its just a translation issue, either. For proof that works that old can also be good reading, I point to a linky. http://classics.mit.edu/Browse/browse-Plato.html If he was supposed to be a deity, why was Jesus illiterate? And why is his message, if one even exists, so garbled that there's umpteen million sects of Christianity out there? Wouldn't this whole how-to guide to salvation thing be rather important? Wouldn't such an important thing be given a high priority? If the whole heaven and hell thing was true and God really is a loving deity, then why is the only guide towards getting into heaven so garbled as to be useless? And its incoherent and boring, too.

08-07-2005, 08:24 AM	#3
yalla Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: oz Posts: 1,848	Eusebius H.E 1.13 has the text of a letter, personally translated from Syriac by Eusebius, written by Jesus to Abgar, toparch of Edessa. Believe it if you wish.

08-07-2005, 08:43 AM	#5
yalla Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: oz Posts: 1,848	Sure does. There is supposed to be another example of JC writing. The pericope ''The Woman Taken in Adultery'' which floats around various mss and ends up in "John" 7.6 in some versions or "Luke" 21. Here JC bends down and writes with his finger in the ground. Again, believe it if you wish.

08-08-2005, 04:38 AM	#8
yalla Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: oz Posts: 1,848	"anything that is proof of his writing ability" Nope Of course not. Fictional characters have no reality outside their literary creators. I'm a mythicist. But I just remembered an example from the gospel of "Luke'' 4.16. JC reads an extract from Isaiah ''found the place and read .....''. Trouble is that which he reads is not from a place [singular], it starts at one spot, jumps ahead and then comes back. So the author has his character doing something absurd [and incorrectly described] in front of people who would know better but who make no comment on that aspect. It's fiction.

08-08-2005, 07:15 AM	#10
Voice of reason Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Blue planet Posts: 2,250	There is little evidence this Jesus even existed let alone wrote anything. The historian of the time have spoked or really their lack of it, is what is amazing. http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Oct04/Salisbury1012.htm I doubt this godman existed or prophet whichever someone asserts, the lack of evidence of his existence is astounding.

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