Jack the Bodiless

BTW, if you still think the Bible is "filled with many prophecies about the destruction and restoration of the Nation of Israel", try looking through the Book of Revelation (the book that supposed to be all about the "End Times"), and see where it talks about the restoration of the nation of Israel.

It doesn't.

That's why the advocates of "prophecy" need to go back to those books written or edited around the time of the Babylonian Exile and its aftermath: when the people of Israel actually DID come home.

Johnny Skeptic

What restoration are you referring to? God promised Abraham and his descendants ALL of the ancient land of Canaan. Today, Jews do not occupy even 90% of the ancient land of Canaan.

Why did God allow Titus to kill 500,000 Jews in the early part fo the 2nd century A.D.? Well, you might claim that if God had not protected the Jews that Titus would have killed 1,000,000 of them.

The Bible claim that God's protection of the Jews was dependent upon good behavior is utterly absurd. What kinds of good behavior, and by what percentage of Jews? What if 90% of Jews had had good behavior, and 10% of Jews had had bad behavior? What about Jews who were babies? What did God have against them?

What is admirable about stealing other people's land by force? There is not a necessary correlation between power and good character.

What evidence do you have that God made a land promise to Abraham? The current Jewish presence in Palestine is not sufficient proof that God made a land promise to Abraham.

Which Scriptures are you referring to?

If the prophecies had not been written, what is odd about Jewish history? Without military and financial help from the U.S. and Britain, Jews would not have been able military take part of Palestine. What is odd about superior military forces helping a much weaker military force acquire land? If Jews had taken parts of Palestine without anyone's help, your arguments would be much better, but such was not the case.

Bill Shatner

Actually outside of the the Christian Bible no actual evidence of the mythical figure you call "Jesus" actually exists.

I doubt it was the Romans themselves that were responsible considering that a new "messiah" (code for con artist) was rolling into Jerusalem on the back of a donkey every other week.

The chances are that Christianity was forged forged by a mixture of different snake oils that were pawned off by the very best of these prophetic grifters.

Actually Moses is one of the few biblical people that probably did exist. He was most likely a missionary for Akhenaten (the father of all Abrahamic religions).

Some cats actually think he was Akhenaten.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to sugarhitman: Please summarize or update your previous explanations regarding why God predicts the future. God's motives for doing what he does is a very important issue.

sugarhitman

Wrong again my friend (as usual) Revelations is all about Israel.

sugarhitman

You say something?

sugarhitman

Hey didnt you star in Star Trek?

martini

if i may interject, Israel becoming a nation (once again?) cannot be a fulfilled prophecy in any normal sense of the word.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour...ration_of_1917

Balfour Declaration of 1917 (dated November 2, 1917) was a classified formal statement of policy by the British government on the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire in the aftermath of World War I.

The letter stated the position, agreed at a British Cabinet meeting on October 31, 1917, that the British government supported Zionist plans for a National home for the Jewish people within Palestine‎ with the condition that nothing should be done which might prejudice the rights of existing communities there.

The statement was issued through the efforts of Chaim Weizmann and Nahum Sokolow, the principal Zionist leaders based in London but, as they had asked for the reconstitution of Palestine as “the” Jewish national home, the Declaration fell short of Zionist expectations.[1]

if the opening poster does not realize why this is so, please read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy

so Christian governments decided that the Jews should have Israel restored ... just like it reads in their favorite mythology. THAT is prophecy come to pass? THAT is what we are supposed to accept as the work of God? it looks -- and i do not have my glasses on -- a lot like the work of MAN just as so very many OTHER religious events and texts do.

telling the world that i will have a new car one day and then buying one a decade from now can hardly be said to be fatidic. :wave:

Dogfish

Babble, babble, bible babble...

Johnny Skeptic

What restoration are you referring to? God promised Abraham and his descendants ALL of the ancient land of Canaan. Today, Jews do not occupy even 90% of the ancient land of Canaan.

Why did God allow Titus to kill 500,000 Jews in the early part fo the 2nd century A.D.? Well, you might claim that if God had not protected the Jews that Titus would have killed 1,000,000 of them.

The Bible claim that God's protection of the Jews was dependent upon good behavior is utterly absurd. What kinds of good behavior, and by what percentage of Jews? What if 90% of Jews had had good behavior, and 10% of Jews had had bad behavior? What about Jews who were babies? What did God have against them?

What is admirable about stealing other people's land by force? There is not a necessary correlation between power and good character.

What evidence do you have that God made a land promise to Abraham? The current Jewish presence in Palestine is not sufficient proof that God made a land promise to Abraham.

Which Scriptures are you referring to?

If the prophecies had not been written, what is odd about Jewish history? Without military and financial help from the U.S. and Britain, Jews would not have been able military take part of Palestine. What is odd about superior military forces helping a much weaker military force acquire land? If Jews had taken parts of Palestine without anyone's help, your arguments would be much better, but such was not the case.