Originally Posted by ISVfan

Also the 2nd law of Dynamics contradicts evolution.....

Originally Posted by talkorigins.org

# The second law of thermodynamics says no such thing. It says that heat will not spontaneously flow from a colder body to a warmer one or, equivalently, that total entropy (a measure of useful energy) in a closed system will not decrease. This does not prevent increasing order because

* the earth is not a closed system; sunlight (with low entropy) shines on it and heat (with higher entropy) radiates off. This flow of energy, and the change in entropy that accompanies it, can and will power local decreases in entropy on earth.
* entropy is not the same as disorder. Sometimes the two correspond, but sometimes order increases as entropy increases. (Aranda-Espinoza et al. 1999; Kestenbaum 1998) Entropy can even be used to produce order, such as in the sorting of molecules by size (Han and Craighead 2000).
* even in a closed system, pockets of lower entropy can form if they are offset by increased entropy elsewhere in the system.

In short, order from disorder happens on earth all the time.

# The only processes necessary for evolution to occur are reproduction, heritable variation, and selection. All of these are seen to happen all the time, so, obviously, no physical laws are preventing them. In fact, connections between evolution and entropy have been studied in depth, and never to the detriment of evolution (Demetrius 2000).

Several scientists have proposed that evolution and the origin of life is driven by entropy (McShea 1998). Some see the information content of organisms subject to diversification according to the second law (Brooks and Wiley 1988), so organisms diversify to fill empty niches much as a gas expands to fill an empty container. Others propose that highly ordered complex systems emerge and evolve to dissipate energy (and increase overall entropy) more efficiently (Schneider and Kay 1994).

# Creationists themselves admit that increasing order is possible. They introduce fictional exceptions to the law to account for it.

# Creationists themselves make claims that directly contradict their claims about the second law of thermodynamics, such as hydrological sorting of fossils during the Flood.

Originally Posted by ISVfan

Unless scientist can through a bunch of stuff in confined space make a big bang and then have a tiny little minor galaxy of order. Or can create a god that can just speak and things appear. Neither is possible thus both are just hypothesis.

Originally Posted by ISVfan

The Bible doesn't contain a single error of Science.

Originally Posted by ISVfan

First off we need to realize that neither Creation or Evolution to be Science for something to be a scientific fact it has to be reproduced in a lab.

Originally Posted by Mike Elphick

If you looked out into the night sky and saw a shower of sparks falling to the ground, you could deduce that previously a firework rocket had been launched. You do not need to have observed the launch or heard the gunpowder burn, but you can work out much from the trajectory, perhaps even the launch site. It's the same with astronomy, a great deal can be deduced from studying the radiation from stars. So you don't need to re-create the big bang to know that it happened. You certainly can't do this with the Bible as there is no physical evidence for the biblical creation.