Chili

The error here is that Adam was not created until after their eyes were opened and could see for themselves that they were naked. For this to be possible they must be outsider to their own TOL and thus from the TOK. This means that they became divided in their own mind, except that there was only one of them, wherein inside the TOL man and woman are 'one' with the woman being the wherewithal/RNA of man, that is adaptable and subject to change the DNA of man. = Intelligent Design inside the species so they can be fruitful and multiply after their own kind.

To note here is that in Gen 2:25 both were naked and felt no shame.

Then in early Gen.3 the TOK was engaged so they could see for themselves and aim for "food, beauty and wisdom" so they will be able to survive in a world wherein they so are co-creator with God.

And now also realize that they were naked after 'truth' was consumed and now part of them as woman and man inside one mind with woman being the womb of man and his seat of wisdom presiding over the TOL. (hint, we call her Mary these days).

The notice that after they realized that they were naked and sewed figleaves together Lord God said (not God, NB): "Adam where are you" and so it was that the ego become known as Adam and thus was not created 'to be' = 'to on' with its own einai or soul, as only God does the creation first cause.

Please read carefully:

"the woman saw that the tree was good for food, pleasing to the eyes, and desirable for gaining wisdom. So she took some of its fruit and ate it; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized that they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made lion clothes for themselves."

This is where and how the man and the woman who were always together as one inside Eden where all was theirs except the Tree of Knowledge that the woman, who presides over the TOL saw that is the TOK was good for 3 things:
1. gaining food,
2. pleasing to the eyes as the vapor of truth
3. to solify beauty in thruth converting to wisdom as the stronghold of man.

Also notice that it was not until both of them ate that their eyes were opened. So it is not so that the woman said: holy smoke, now I can see and gave him some so that he could see too!

You need to understand causation here and never confuse Man as created with Adam and never ever think that the woman became Eve, because the woman was never banned from Eden and the serpent is who Adam took to be his wife and called her Eve.

This is confirmed in Gen 3:15 in the 'chain of command' wherein there was enmity between the woman and Eve, wherein the woman will strike at the head of Eve who in her turn will strike at Adam's heel to move 'the human' and his wife about outside of Eden. So now the serpent is the 'temple tramp' inside the TOK of man to lead Adam as human about outside of Eden.

Bottom line: Adam had no life of his own, and never will or Jesus could never be the second Adam to undo this Gordian knot.

Chili

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steve_bnk

The bible has to be the ultimate Rorshach Test.

Jaybees

Duh?

Chili

Easy, it just says that Adam is called the persona of man, and gives all the details how and why that is so.

Jaybees

What persona means:

1.The aspect of someone's character that is presented to or perceived by others.
2.A role or character adopted by an author or an actor.

Is there anyone here who can explain how either of those definitions applies to Adam?

Thanks.

Chili

The persona is all that Adam is, the pretender, some would say, who is trying to make a living in the world around him that so becomes his world and there is no other like it. Better maybe, for others, but the one he lives in is his own, and must do the best he can in it.

Then also see in this painting that human (Adam here) is outside the skul of man where Eden is but is not part of him, and not even by touch:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Creation_of_Adam

Then notice that that which was news to Dr. Meshburger was old news to them as they painted the damn thing on the ceiling of the Vatican for everone to see.The problem the Catholics have is that you cannot just tell the people in the pew that "it is all in your head' even if that is true because it is not possible for the ego identity to penetrate and make his own, simply because there is a hymen between the left and right brain that can be rent, and must be fully rent for the left and right brain to become one.

This is the time when metamorphosis begins, and so then the ego as outsider was like a greedy caterpillar searching for food, but without wings so he can soar, and must get fat below so that someday he might, or may, but must also know when it is time so spin his own cooon, that he may enter to the 'other side of life.' And no, he does not need a rowboat nor an ark to get there, but must have a cave to burry his remains as 'up there' he needs nothing of what he once was except the knowledge he accumilated. This is called the Imago of man . . . so that reason will prevail (and no angels needed to drag his body back and forth either above or underground).

So the pupa is left behind and like and eagle he will soar and here is shown how that is done:http://www.hopefortheflowers.org/

It is a 20 minute read and the text may still be online someplace.

Then if you want to know more about it look at: Imago to see the difference in that where now ma[ry] is inserter in the ego of the man as the alpha of the ego that we as humans carry about. Hence: the answer to the riddle of life is: know thyself.

Don't be stuck on words, and I know that Mary is a swear word around here but she is just a name given to the woman inside each man . . . except that she must be named if Christ is the end and Jesus is the pupa stage along the way.

Then let me add that America's favorite sport is to rip the hymen that separates the left and right to make one a lukewarm passage reading Billy Grahamite to tickle your own fancy (petuitary) from the other side.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imago

steve_bnk

'...The persona is all that Adam is, the pretender, some would say, who is trying to make a living in the world around him that so becomes his world and there is no other like it. Better maybe, for others, but the one he lives in is his own, and must do the best he can in...'

You are projecting into the bible, as do most modern protestants. One rationalizies one's views and life via interpretation and declaring thus is god's will, intent, and meaning.

Chili

Yes, but we are in charge of destiny (Infallible they call it), and so in charge of God.
Firstly, because we are co-creator with him (as 'like god' in the TOK),
Second, he put the Intelligent Design in us,
Third, and best of all he gave 'all we are and all we have" to the woman who presides over the TOL but has nothing to say.

And nobody can say this better than the local Indians here who "always knew there was a woman behind them rip-snorting away, but her mouth was always filled with dust, mud or snow and could not say" (and that was before alcohol was known to them).

Jaybees

And all this time I thought you were serious. I must admit that I was fooled.