Evoken

Not sure. will have to respond later.

inquisitive01

Since I don't know what you are referring to, could you elaborate on this, rather than saying "Did you know (insert my opinion here)?"

Chili

The God of Moses doesn't deserve a capital G. That was my point and I told you why I think that.

inquisitive01

From my last post: "I don't know what you are referring to."

quip

So, Moses being God's mouthpiece; cometh down from the mountain and thus spake to his peoples..(among other things)... "Thou shall not kill*"

*Unless thou is killing in the name of God.

Chili

Nono, there is no killing in the name of God and there are no laws made in the name of God. The God of Moses was a little-g God who gave him the idea to place a law before humans so it would convict them of sin (he liked their orgies and sought to 'make hay' with it . . . which I think was brilliant and should turn anybody's hair white).

The "thou shalt not kill" is a smokescreen to obscure the subtleness of the sins that go directly against human nature and those are the sins that must convict us as sinner; again, because of their persistence in our rational mind wherein we lust after the flesh (I must assume here that it is not 'natural' for humans to kill each other, but nonetheless, it should be part of the Law).

I should make it clear that, at least in my opinion, the Laws were given to convict man of sin and thus not to stop the act, or actions, that must convict us of sin (hence my "he sought to 'make hay' with that). For this to be possible the Law must be written upon the human heart (as if in stone) so the inner man can convict the outer man of his own wretchedness. Hence we see that "the cross of eternal salvation is for sinners only," which makes sin 'good' and from here you can go into Romans 7 to read all about it.

The concept sin now becomes like a fishing bait to catch our human nature and lead it in like a played-out big bass. First to "rouse in me all kinds of evil desire" and later to kill me. Rom.7:11 "Sin found its opportunity and used the commandment: first to deceive me, then to kill me."

It must be noted here that only if sin is a human concept can we ever be set free from the Law and therefore be set free from sin in this life. In the new spirit we are censored by natural law and natural law only which is sufficient for those who have been circumsized by nature itself. Ie, no sin in heaven on earth.

Shameless Hussy

Not quite. This gets misinterpreted a lot - why do Christians and Jews eat meat and join the army when it says thou shalt not kill? The word "kill" in that commandment wasn't referring to all killing. It wasn't telling them to become pacifists, or vegetarians, or anti-death penalty activists except in God's name.. It was just saying don't be a Cain. Pretty much the same system we have now. (although I'd have preferred the vegetarian route, myself...)

Chili

A Christian must resign from politics but Jews are not Christians and the small-c Christians don't know the difference and will cause war to defend their small-g God.

inquisitive01

Yeah, Christianity (at least, how it's supposed to be) does seem to get misinterpreted a lot... and stereotyped also, as I recently posted in a Church/State Separation thread. FYI, I do not kill any meat I eat, as it is already in the store for me to purchase. If I were in the Armed services, I would only kill in life-threatening self defense (not intentionally . . . there is a difference). If I kill a spider by accidentally stepping on it (especially if I didn't know it was there in the first place) that is different than intentionally stepping on it.


I would not cause war, but I might state my opinion (just as you've done above). If some self-proclaiming Christians do attempt (or even succeed at) causing a war, should you blame every Christian for that? Of course, you can IF you choose to do so (just as it is you that has chosen the "small-g" route).

Chili

No, I don't blame anyone and if anything I would forgive them for they do not know what they are doing (and this includes Bush).