AtheistVirus

Where can I find a list of solidly proven forgeries and additions in the bible?

By additions I mean intentional deceit by scribers/translaters to fit the story or certain elements of the context.

Equinox

No such clear list exists due to the fact that a forger would not sign it "this was forged", and even if he did, a later Christian scribe could remove it during copying.

However, a good start is to read Ehrman's "misquoting Jesus". For some short and easy answers, the books of 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus are nearly universally (other than fundys) known to be not written by paul (forged), and the story about the adulterer in John (chap 8) is similar.

Plus, the large number of variations between our manuscripts show forgery, since many have added details (compare the KVJ and the NIV, for instance - such as Acts 8:37, John in the story about the healing at the pool, etc.).

That's a start. There is of course a lot more.

Equinox

Toto

Your question implies that there was an original Bible that was later corrupted, but there are those who classify the entire Bible as an intentional deceit, written for ulterior motives; and there are undoubtedly many additions that were done in good faith and not for the purposes of deceit.

But you might want to start with Ehrman's "Misquoting Jesus"

In the Historical Section of the II Library, you will find works like Wheless' Forgery in Christianity and Ingersoll's Some Mistakes of Moses, but you should not use anything from the Historical Library uncritically, as it does not reflect subsequent research.

XKV8R

ehrman's 'misquoting jesus' is essentially an update of his professor's book. see bruce m. metzger's "the text of the new testament: its transmission, corruption, and restoration (or via: amazon.co.uk)[/URL]"

XKV8R

my fav intentional corruption is the johannine comma (although the wiki article is not the best. it makes it sound like the comma is ancient. it is not. it is a medieval addition attempting to give some specific biblical support to the doctrine of the trinity.

AtheistVirus

Very interesting stuff...but what about list of contradictions and absurdities in the bible as they are, so without any external interpretation.

And since I'm on this I'm also looking for a list of catholic church individuals high up in the hierarchy trough-out history who made any kind of embarrassing statements/behaviors/policies from today's standpoint, also practices themselves to be viewed in that way.

simongc

i am sure there are some very interesting comments on record regarding the behavior of church officials in Canada Ireland Australia as well as Archdiocese of Boston and Los Angeles ++ before everyone became aware of the real situation that prevailed over 150 odd years

aa5874

Can you give me an example of an addition in the Bible that was done undoubtedly in good faith and not for the purpose of deceit?

Toto

The parable of the woman caught in adultery, where Jesus tells the mob that is about to stone her to let him who has so sin cast the first stone, is generally considered to not be original to the text. But I wouldn't call the person who added it "deceitful." I think his or her motives were generally good.

dog-on

It's a nice story, but the fact that it was added to a work that is touted to be "actual history", can be nothing less than deceitful.