Pilate

I am not inclined to spend hours of research to make a case to you. You will sneer at it anyway. Read Matthew 7:6.

cass256

How can you ask that question and expect an answer? Oh wait, let me read my Strong's. You see his concordance has actually been added to and updated. My version is from 1990 appendix 1984and it says dictionaries updated includes contributions by John R kohlenberger, III

The Publisher's page at the front says the New Strongs has computer generated type. variant spellings from Revised Satndard, new International Version etc. would be directed to the King James version spelling. etc....
no sections in the Strongs original dictionaries has been eliminated; new materials have been added and existing materials have been updated and improved.

imagine that! Updated from Strong's dictionary.. so they may have just edited new info as it came long.
So far it looks like they haven't found anything in Hebrew that means 5 porches.? maybe in the next update.

Did you find Bethesda meaning 5 porches in hebrew in your BDB?

spin

You got it. There's no way to check Strong's. It's not a scholarly tool. It was never meant to be. You can't use it as an authority.

It's not in BDB and who said it meant five porches anyway?


spin

spin

I was not asking you in this instance to make a case. I was indicating what one normally does when one gives sources. It doesn't matter how long your list of names is if there are no exact references, the list is still useless.


spin

cass256

Basically, if you read the old testament, you'll find Abraham's god EL did not require anyone to refrain from eating any fruit, and was not a war god. Moses found a war God who played a name switch game on the people of IsraEL. Everyone who followed EL, who was represented as a bull, or calf, was killed or made to follow Moses God YaHWeH. The original hebrew had no vowels. SO YHWH.

YHWH required blood sacrifices. EL did not. If Abraham's people stayed with Abraham's god EL, Jesus would not have had to die. Moses was a murderer, and those who followed him and his god ended up dealing with a lot of blood.
Israel 10 tribes that survived by playing along eventually broke away from the Jews "Judah" (Followers of YHWH), and were dispersed by the Assyrians. The only ones left who followed YHWH were the jews= the tribes of Judah and Benjamin (Paul), and a few Levites. Israel as 10 tribes are still people scattered across the globe. Most not knowing they ARE Israel. Bottom line is YHWH required killing and blood war pillaging and rape and dished out plagues and different punishments, often death. It deos matter because Jews and Christians still follow YHWH today, and all along the blody history of religion... no wonder...

cass256

When you have a scholarly tool to contradict John Klonenberger's research feel free to post it. Until then, the best we have says what it says. :wave:
I'd look up scholarly to see the exact definition, but all I have his this dang hebrew greek dictionary.

"5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep [market] a pool which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda having five porches."
I was half kidding. where do Greek writers put their commas? :huh:

Johann_Kaspar

Well, it is already a long time that this discussion is not rational.
It is sad to see people translating (rather : substituting) words like they want to fuel their agenda. Hebrew means Hebrew.
Josephus is addressing his countrymen to convince them to surrender. Sure, he would use the language they understand best. Moreover, Josephus brings us evidence that those very defenders spoke Hebrew between themselves.
Now, xians always wanted to erase the Jews from the surface of the earth as deicids, so the first step was to deny any existence to their spoken language.

Now, how a nation could survive for 2 millenia without a territory...?

Pilate

Toto,
You challenged my point and I responded.
I posed this to you:
"First you can show me that Danker's Dictionary has a different definition from Thayer's. Then we can talk, which one is more correct."
You did not respond. The most likely reason is: you
could not bring evidence to the contrary.
This is what has been going with my conversations with spin.
He missed responding to several pieces of evidence. His arguments were: "you are opining' "You don't know," "how would you know." I took him seriously. My mistake. (Notice, I admit my mistakes.) But now I know. And boy o boy! We will have fun! Hale Hale Hale rama rama!
So, this forum debates are casual conversation, hit and miss,
make some derogatory statements about something someone wrote,
and have a good time! Isn't it?

spin

You don't know how your authority derives his result so it's of no use to you.

It is irrelevant. The text doesn't say that the pool was "called 'bethesda having five porches'", nor does it say "called bethesda meaning 'having five porches'".


spin

Pilate

When you say "Jn says that it was Hebrew" do you mean John wrote "in the Hebrew tongue"?