Zeichman

I would say that the fourth evangelist going out of his way to contradict the other gospels is lacking evidence, but probably stems from the Johannine tendency to portray Jesus as the perfect Passover lamb. As such, it would have been impossible to have him die at the same time as the slaughter of the passover lambs AND die on the holiday itself. I really think it's as simple as that.

Hallandale

I guess that we can agree that the Gospels are fabrications.

Zeichman

I'm not sure we do. I'm not convinced that John wanted his readers to literally believe that Jesus did these things or said these things, but that it was the way of highlighting the importance of Christ for the author(s). If you want to say that John's historical reliability for the life of Jesus is minimal, I would agree. But to claim that it is a deliberate fabrication is exactly what I was disagreeing with in my post.

fromdownunder

This is going way out into left field, but if Jesus followed the Essene calendar, rather than the traditional Jewish calendar, the passover meal would have occured on Nissan 12/13, ie, Tuesday evening, not Thursday evening, as per John.

For once, John actually makes a little more sense than the synoptics here. Reading the synoptic versions of the post-supper events is rather like watching a Charlie Chaplin movie speeded up.

Simply putting it to much happens in too short a time to make any sense of it at all. The Sanhedrin meeting on the eve of a holy feast? Heading backwards and forward from trial to trial and winding up at Pilate's place in just a few hours?

But. if the last supper occured when John said it occured, the whoel thing can be spaced out over a couple of days, rather than virtually overnight.

of course, this applies only if you believe any of it happened in the first place....

Norm

Kosh

OK, let's move on to the bigger easter celebration stuff...

Xians, if you will, please, tell us the order of events on the first Easter morning. What happened, and to whom? Provide scriptural citations and please show all work.

Extra credit assignment, why is it called Easter? And why do we use an Easter Bunny as the mascot?

Tigers!

To whom does the royal "we" apply?

judge

I don't beleive that the gospels should be inerrant any more than two witnesses of a car accident should agree with one another on all points, but wasn't passover celebrated over a two day period at that time for logistical reasons?

Maybe that is why?

Maybe someone has seen this idea refuted before?