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James Holding on slavery
James Holding is a well-known Christian apologist. His main web site is at tektonics.org. It is quite impressive regarding its size and detail regarding a veritable multitude of topics. It can be said that Holding practically has some kind of answer for almost anything. Holding is well-known for trying to discredit the academic credentials of his opponents, some of whom have Ph.D.'s, even though he only has a master's degree in library science. At any rate, in the following article, Holding attempts to "educate" his opponent regarding the topic of slavery, but unfortunately for him, he showed that it is he who needs to become educated about the topic of slavery.
Consider the following: http://www.tektonics.org/gk/harrisletter.html Quote:
Unfortunately for Holding, playing semantics will not help him. Consider the following Scriptures: Item 1 Exodus 21:2-4 (NIV) "If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free." Item 2 Exodus 21:12-14 (NIV) "Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to flee to a place I will designate. But if a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, take him away from my altar and put him to death." Item 3 Exodus 21:20-21 (NIV) "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property." Item 4 Leviticus 25:44-45 (NIV) "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." However Holding wishes to define the words "slave," and "servant," there are not any doubts whatsoever that 1) the aforementioned texts refer to two different ethnic groups of people, Hebrews, and non-Hebrews, that 2) item 2 refers to Hebrew people, and that 3) item 3 refers to non-Hebrew people. Item 1 establishes the right of freedom after six years for Hebrews who served Hebrew masters in some capacity. On the other hand, item 4 shows that non-Hebrews who served Hebrew masters in some capacity were not granted the right to be free, and were considered to be inheritable property. Item 2 establishes that if a Hebrew killed another Hebrew, he would be put to death. On the other hand, item 3 establishes that if a Hebrew killed a non-Hebrew who was in his service in some capacity, he would not be put to death under any circumstances, and would not be punished at all if the non-Hebrew recovered within a few days. Holding attempts to mislead people with the words "ambiguity," and "fuzzy." There is not anything ambiguous or fuzzy at all regarding the fact that the aforementioned texts refer to Hebrews and non-Hebrews. Anyone who has even a basic understanding of morality knows that the God of the Bible endorsed the unfair treatment of at least some non-Hebrews. Holding's and Miller's treatment of slavery is a good example of gross incompetence and intellectual dishonesty. |
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I sometimes can't help but laugh at the mental and linguistic hurdles some religionists attempt to navigate to justify immorality and misery in the bible.
I recall reading commentary on the above passages in a fundamentalist bible (the title of which escapes me now, but I will try to dig it out of a box in my garage). The commentary at the bottom of the page read something like: the term "slave" while used in the bible actually refers to a different kind of slave than many North Americans are accustomed to. Slaves in the ancient world were actually treated very well. (Emphasis Mine) Can you freakin' believe that! Even assuming such an argument had a basis in reality (which it does not), a "well-treated slave" is still a slave. Period. |
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I wish I were an ANE slave. Life sounds so lovely.
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It seems to us 'Umble Mods that this here topic could per'aps do rather better in Biblical Criticism & History. So This is just to let all of you know that I am, like, moving it there. OK?
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It's amazing someone as clever at twisting truth as Holding, can still not see past his own brainwashing.
Whether you call it 'slavery', or whether you call it 'domestic help', the relationship described in Exodus between masters and slaves is outrageously repugnant. |
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Holding uses history social science like creationists use science - as a source for quotes that can be taken out of context and misused to mean something other than what the author intended.
Holding has read enough to know that "slavery" was a more complex institution than the plantations of the American south. But it is really repugnant to whitewash ancient slavery, and the written rules of the Bible show the unpleasantness of the power relationship. Many other descriptions of slavery make it clear that slavery was not a voluntary status. But what's with the weird formatting of that Holden link? white print on a black background, and comic sans ms font? My eyes! |
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What is library science by the way?
I remember reading something written by him and he said he was an expert at looking things up' I think because of his library science degree. Chris |
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Yeah i spose that makes sence lol. So does that meen he is an expert at looking things up. Even if that were true I would imagine a scholar in a certain feild would know more than him about there specialist subject. Chris |
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