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10-25-2007, 12:09 PM | #1 |
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How do you think the disciples died?
The story is that most were martyers. Stephen was the first. During the first century after Jesus' death nearly all of his disciples suffered martyrdom for His sake. James the son of Zebedee was beheaded in approximately 44 A.D. Philip was crucified in 54 A.D. Matthew was killed with a halberd, an ax-like weapon, in 60 A.D. James,Matthias was beheaded, Andrew was crucified, Mark was torn to pieces, and Peter was crucified upside down. Jude, Bartholomew, and Thomas were also martyred. Paul suffered martyrdom in Rome where he was beheaded. Other early apostles Luke, Barnabas, Timothy, and Simon were also killed for the sake of Christ. You think this is true?
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10-25-2007, 12:17 PM | #2 |
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You might want to check these earlier threads:
Why would the disciples die for a lie? Why would Jesus' apostles die for their cause? How Much Persecution did the Early Christians Suffer? |
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You need to establish that these disciples even existed before you can worry about how they died.
It comes up in the second thread that Amaleq13 pointed to, but GMark's depiction of the disciples is clearly, deliberately negative, and in point of fact they refuse to die, or even be arrested, for Jesus' sake. They're very two-dimensional in GMark, serving more as straight men for Jesus - they're written more as metaphors for the failures of Israel than as real people. regards, NinJay |
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As NinJay said, most of the "Twelve" probably died the same way that Harry Potter died, i.e. by the wounds inflicted by a writers pen.
As for the only four that we know of that are likely to have actually existed, Paul, James, Peter, and John, we don't actually know how any of them died. Paul may have died in a Roman prison, or he may have simply died of old age alone or on the streets somewhere, who knows. "James the Just" may have actually been the leader of an early Judean church and may have been killed for political reasons in a way similar to what is described in the various sources. Peter and John almost certainly didn't die in the manner that is described by th Christian sources, and I doubt that we actually know anything more about Peter than what was written about him in the letters of Paul. Almost certainly all of the epistles attributed to him are fakes, and every story written about him was made up. The rest of the so-called disciples are almost certainly fictional characters, or even if they were based on some real people, everything that was written about them was fictional. |
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How in the hell do you crucify someone, upside-down?
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Simon Peter was crucified upside down makes for a better story than Simon Peter died of an illness or Simon Peter fell off the back of his fishing boat and drowned.
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